Apr 09, 2024 Regular City Council Meeting

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ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON.

I DIDN'T GET ONE OF THESE LAST NIGHT.

GLAD TO SEE EVERYONE HERE.

WE ARE BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION AND AND HAD A LITTLE LUNCH AND WENT BACK TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

SO WE'RE NOW COMING BACK IN FOR A WORK SESSION.

[1. Clapp Pool Report]

TO HEAR AND DISCUSS PRESENTATIONS REGARDING THE CLAPP POOL REPORT.

SO AS SOON AS WE'RE DONE WITH THIS, WE'LL MOVE TO OUR CEREMONIAL ITEMS AND THEN CALL TO ORDER FOR OUR REGULAR MEETING.

AND WITH THAT, COLBY, THE FLOOR IS YOURS, SIR.

SEE IF THAT CAN.

PRESENTATION.

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GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT CLAPP POOL AND SOME OF THE FINDINGS AND ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD DURING THE OFF SEASON AND LEADING UP INTO THIS SEASON.

AND SO PLEASE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS DURING THE PRESENTATION, PLEASE JUST STOP ME AND I'LL BE GLAD TO EXPAND ON THAT INFORMATION IF NEED BE.

SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A BRIEF HISTORY ON CLAPP POOL.

IT WAS BUILT IN 1953.

WE HAVE A PICTURE HERE OF FROM THE LUBBOCK COUNTY FACEBOOK PAGE.

AND RIGHT NOW IT'S CURRENTLY SITTING AT 71 YEARS OLD.

AND SO BEGINNING LAST YEAR, AT THE END OF THE SEASON, STAFF CAME TO ME AND WE WERE CONCERNED.

THEY WERE CONCERNED BECAUSE THE POOL WAS WAS STARTING TO TURN GREEN ON A REGULAR BASIS DURING THE DURING THE AFTERNOON HOURS.

AND SO THEY WERE HAVING TROUBLE, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THE CHEMICAL LEVELS BALANCED.

AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS HELPING CAUSE THIS WAS THAT OUR AUTO FUEL VALVE, WHICH IS A VALVE THAT WILL TURN ON AS THE WATER GOES DOWN OR WHATNOT TO KEEP THE, THE POOL FULL.

THAT FEATURE WAS RUNNING 24 HOURS A DAY.

AND SO THAT WITH THE KNOWING THAT WITH THAT WATER COMING IN, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THE POOL BALANCED WITH CITY WATER GOING INTO IT.

AND SO THAT LED US TO BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS A POTENTIAL LEAK IN THE POOL.

WE WERE ABLE TO FINISH OUT THE REST OF THE SEASON.

BUT WE WERE HAVING ISSUES, AND SO AS SOON AS THE POOL SEASON WAS OVER STAFF STARTED TO GET TO WORK ON WHAT WAS THE CAUSE.

AND WE SO, SO WE STARTED DIAGNOSING WHAT WAS GOING ON.

ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE DID IS WE STARTED REACHING OUT TO DIFFERENT POOL COMPANIES TO SEE IF THEY COULD HELP US, WHETHER IT WAS VIDEO CAMERA IN THE LINES.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO WHEN YOU POTENTIALLY HAVE OLDER POOLS IS BE ABLE TO DO A PRESSURE TEST ON THE POOL, AND BASICALLY YOU'RE PRESSURIZING THE LINES THAT GO THROUGH THERE AND IT'LL BE ABLE TO TELL YOU IF YOU'RE LOSING PRESSURE, IT'LL BE ABLE TO TELL YOU THAT YOU DO POTENTIALLY HAVE A LEAK.

BUT WITH THE AGE OF OUR POOL, THAT WAS A CONCERN BY THE POOL COMPANIES BECAUSE THEY FELT LIKE IF THEY RAN THAT PRESSURE TEST, THEY MAY CREATE MORE HARM THAN GOOD.

AND SO WE WERE AT THAT POINT, WE WERE KIND OF WONDERING OKAY, WHAT DO WE DO HERE NOW? AND SO WE STARTED OFF AND WE RAN A STATIC LEAK TEST.

BASICALLY WE FILLED THE POOL BACK UP AND WE LET IT SIT.

WE DIDN'T TURN ON ANY OF THE PUMP FEATURES.

WE JUST LET IT SET TO SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH IT.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE THE SLIDE THERE, WE LOST A TOTAL JUST OVER 300,000 GALLONS OF WATER IN 2020 DAYS.

AND SO THAT'S 85% OF THE TOTAL POOL.

NOW, WHAT DID COME ABOUT BY THIS TEST IS WE WE DID WE WERE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT THAT ONCE IT GOT PAST THE THAT RED LINE THAT'S UP THERE, WHICH IS THE START OF THE DEEP END, THE WATER LOSS STOPPED.

AND SO THAT TOLD US RIGHT AWAY THAT WAS A THAT WAS WHERE THE LEAK WAS AT.

AND THESE OLDER POOLS, THEY WERE BUILT WITH EXPANSION JOINTS IN THEM.

AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO TO DETERMINE, YES, THAT IS GOING TO BE AT THE EXPANSION JOINT.

AND SO AT THAT POINT WE REALLY WEREN'T REAL, REAL CONCERNED AS FAR AS WE COULD MAKE THAT WORK.

AND WE COULD BABY THAT ALONG AND BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO GO FORWARD.

MY AQUATICS COORDINATOR AT THE TIME, HE WENT DOWN AND HE LOOKED INTO THE PUMP ROOM, AND WHAT HE WANTED TO DO IS WE'VE GOT THE DIFFERENT PIPES THAT RUN THROUGH THERE.

HE JUST WANTED TO CHECK TO MAKE SURE THERE WASN'T ANYTHING THAT WAS GOING ON DOWN THERE THAT WE WEREN'T AWARE OF, THAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE ADDING TO THAT LEAK.

AND SO WHEN HE DID, HE DISCOVERED HE LOOKED UP AND HE DISCOVERED THAT THE THIS PICTURE IS THE PUMP ROOM.

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AND SO THE BALANCE TANK IS WHERE THE THESE POOLS WERE NOT BUILT WITH A SUCTION LIKE YOUR HOME POOLS WOULD NOW THAT YOU GO DOWN AND TOUCH AND YOU CAN GRAB IT, IT'S BUILT WHERE GRAVITY FEEDS THAT TANK AND THEN IT'S TAKEN FROM THAT SURGE TANK, AND THEN IT'S PRESSURIZED AND BROUGHT THROUGH THE FILTRATION SYSTEM TO BE CLEANED AND BE PUT BACK INTO THE POOL. SO WHEN WE WENT DOWN TO LOOK AT THAT, WE SAW THAT THAT WE HAD SOME, SOME MAJOR ISSUES.

AND I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU A COUPLE OF PICTURES HERE.

THIS IS THE CEILING OF THE PUMP ROOM.

AND SO YOU CAN SEE THAT YOU HAVE REBAR THAT HAS BEEN RUSTED.

YOU HAVE CRUMBLING CONCRETE.

AND REALLY YOU'VE GOT SOME HOLLOW SPOTS IN THE FLOOR.

I WAS OUT WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS TEAM.

WE WENT THROUGH AND AND TOOK A BALL OF OFF MY JEEP.

AND YOU COULD HIT THE CONCRETE AND YOU COULD, YOU COULD HEAR THE, THE HOLLOW SPOTS.

BUT ALSO A COUPLE OF TIMES WHEN I DID THAT, YOU COULD HEAR STUFF HITTING THE WATER UNDERNEATH.

AND SO YOU COULD SEE, YOU COULD HEAR THAT STUFF WAS FALLING OFF OF EITHER CONCRETE OR RUST FROM THE REBAR WAS FALLING THROUGH.

AT THAT POINT, WE IMMEDIATELY STARTED WORKING, OKAY, WHAT IS THE POTENTIAL? WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS OF BEING ABLE TO REINFORCE THIS CEILING FLOOR, BEING ABLE TO ADD SOME DIFFERENT THINGS.

AT FIRST WE FELT LIKE, OKAY, MAYBE WE CAN COME IN AND REINFORCE THE FLOOR SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY WORRIES IN THAT NATURE.

AND SO WE STARTED ASKING DIFFERENT ENGINEERING COMPANIES TO COME AND TAKE A LOOK.

THE FIRST ENGINEERING COMPANY, THEY ALL THEY BOTH SAID, YES, THIS IS DANGEROUS, BUT THEY NEVER REALLY GOT BACK TO US.

AND SO WE AT THAT POINT WE REACHED OUT TO PARKHILL AND HAD SOME OF THEIR STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS COME AND LOOK AT IT.

THE FIRST OPTION THAT WE WERE THINKING IS REINFORCE THE FLOOR.

THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS TO BE ABLE TO POTENTIALLY TAKE OFF THE ROOF, AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO REALLY CUT A HOLE BECAUSE THAT WHITE AREA THAT YOU SEE, THE LIGHT AREA IS THE ONLY ACCESS THAT YOU HAVE DOWN TO IT.

SO BRINGING IN ANYTHING WAS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO GET DOWN THROUGH THAT, TO THAT SPACE, THAT CRAWL SPACE FOR PEOPLE.

IT'S NOT MEANT FOR SOMETHING TO THAT NATURE, AND SO THEY WERE FIRST WORKING ON WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A NEW PUMP ROOM POTENTIALLY, OR, YOU KNOW, TAKE THE ROOF OFF OF THIS ONE.

AND THE NUMBERS GOT TO WHERE THEY WERE JUST THEY WERE UNHEARD OF AS FAR AS INTO THE MILLION DOLLAR RANGE TO DO THAT AND JUST REALLY DIDN'T SEE THAT AS A VIABLE OPTION.

AND SO WE LOOKED AT A DIFFERENT ROUTE TO BE ABLE TO SAY, OKAY, COULD WE COME IN AND REPLUMB THE ENTIRE SYSTEM AND THAT'S THE SOLUTION THAT THEY HAVE COME UP WITH.

AND SO THAT SOLUTION IS THAT THEY WILL TAKE THE SUMP PUMP, AH SUMP PIT, EXCUSE ME, THAT IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE CURRENT PUMP HOUSE AREA.

AND THEY WERE GOING TO THEY'RE GOING TO REPLUMB THAT TO BE THE WATER HOLDING TANK.

SO THE AREA THAT YOU SEE THAT'S BAD IS GOING TO TURN IN IS GOING TO MOVE OVER, WOULD BE MOVED OVER TO ANOTHER AREA.

AND THEN WE WOULD PLUMB IN THROUGH THE SURGE TANK AREA TO WHERE WE NEED TO GET TO THE PRESSURIZED WATER.

WE WOULD BUILD THAT OUTSIDE OF THE POOL JUST A FEW YARDS OFF IN STILL IN THE FENCED AREA, BUT JUST OUTSIDE OF THAT POOL.

AND NOW THAT IS A SOLUTION THAT THAT CAN WORK, THAT WE BELIEVE IS DOABLE, BUT IT WILL NOT ALLOW, THE TIME FRAME TO DO THAT IS GOING TO BE ABOUT A 4 TO 6 MONTH PROCESS WHICH WILL END UP CLOSING OUR POOL FOR THIS SEASON.

THE ESTIMATE COST OF REPAIRS FOR THAT IS RIGHT AT $325,000.

AND SO YOU KNOW, AS THEY WILL GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, THEY WILL RELOCATE THE SURGE TANK, THEY WILL RELOCATE THE PUMPS, THEY WILL RELOCATE ALL THE ELECTRICAL.

SO ANYTHING IN THAT ROOM THAT IS VITAL FOR THE OPERATION OF THE POOL, THEY WILL HAVE TO RERUN THOSE AND PUT THEM IN NEW LOCATIONS.

SO THEN IT COMES DOWN TO IS CLAPP WILL NOT BE OPEN, STAFF IS REQUESTING DIRECTION AS FAR AS WHICH WAY WILL BE WHICH WAY DO WE WANT TO TO MOVE FORWARD? AND THEN ALSO WE, I DO WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WE DO HAVE OUR SPLASH PADS THAT ARE THE CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE IS IS ON TIME.

AND WE, WE BELIEVE THAT WE WILL BE AT THE VERY FIRST PART OF SUMMER, AROUND JUNE ISH OR SO, BEING ABLE TO OPEN UP AT LEAST THREE OF THE 2 OR 2 OF THE THREE SPLASH PADS AT THE START OF THE SUMMER. THE OTHER ONE MAY COME ON JUST A LITTLE BIT LATER THAN THAT.

THAT'S ALL THAT I'VE GOT AS FAR AS THE PRESENTATION, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE OR WALK THROUGH ANY OF THE TECHNICAL SIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE IF YOU NEED THAT.

THANK YOU COLBY. MR. MCBRAYER. COLBY, THIS TEMPORARY EXTENSION OF THE LIFE OF CLAPP POOL.

I MEAN, WHAT ARE YOU ESTIMATING THAT THIS WILL ADD ON TO THE LIFE OF THAT POOL? YOU KNOW, COUNCILMAN I IT'S HARD.

BARRING SOME OTHER UNFORESEEN BIG.

YEAH, THAT'S THE WORRY, IS THAT THAT WE COULD PUT THIS MONEY TO IT.

AND NEXT YEAR, AS WE'RE BRINGING THAT ON BOARD, WE COULD HAVE SOME OTHER ISSUES THAT THAT WE JUST DON'T KNOW OF RIGHT NOW.

IN THEORY, THIS SHOULD GIVE US A FEW MORE YEARS POTENTIALLY, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER PROBLEMS, THIS WILL WORK.

IF IT IS A, IT WILL BE ABLE TO TO KEEP THE POOL IN THE SAME FUNCTION AS FAR AS THE FILTRATION SYSTEM, IT WILL NOT REQUIRE US TO GO OUT TO DO A TOTAL REBUILD OF THE

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AND SO IT'S THIS PORTION THAT WE WILL BUILD SHOULD LAST US FOR SOME TIME.

NOW, DOES THAT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING EXPANSION JOINTS.

THEY DON'T BUILD THEM THAT WAY ANYMORE.

AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS I CAN'T GUARANTEE A TIME.

BUT THIS PARTICULAR FIX SHOULD LAST FOR MULTIPLE YEARS.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. MCBRAYER. MISS MARTINEZ GARCIA.

WE ARE AGAIN, RIGHT? YES, MA'AM. I THINK WHEN WE CLOSE THE THREE POOLS, OF COURSE, AGE AND WE'VE BEEN BAND AIDING THE PROBLEM AND WHATNOT, AND, YOU KNOW, WE ENDED UP WITH OUR SPLASH PADS, WHICH I'M PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE WONDERFUL.

THE BLACK EYE FOR THE CITY WAS CLOSING THE POOLS, BUT WE WERE GIVING SOMETHING IN RETURN THAT I THINK IS GOING TO GIVE US A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY WITH THIS POOL.

IT'S LIKE WHEN I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANOTHER POOL CLOSE, BUT I GET IT.

I THINK IN THIS CASE, FOR ME, I WOULD BAND-AID THE PROBLEM JUST UNTIL WE CAN FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.

I'VE EXPRESSED THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN AQUATIC CENTER BECAUSE I THINK IT'S NECESSARY AS THE CITY CONTINUES TO GROW AND YOU KNOW, IT'S A TOUGH CALL, NO DOUBT.

BUT I HAVE A LOT OF FAITH IN OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT, AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS, IT'S HARD TO SAY.

PUT MONEY INTO IT WHEN WE COULD BE CHANNELING THAT MONEY INTO SOMETHING NEW.

BUT JUST PR WISE.

I THINK FOR ME IT WOULD HAVE TO BE TO SUPPORT BAND AIDING THE PROBLEM.

AND THAT'S A TOUGH CALL FOR ME.

THANK YOU, MISS MARTINEZ.

GARCIA. LET'S SEE.

MR. MASSENGALE, ARE YOU ON? YES. ALL RIGHT, MR. MASSENGALE.

THANKS, MAYOR. WHERE WOULD THE 325 COME? I GUESS THAT'S NOT BUDGETED IN CURRENT BUDGET.

MR. ATKINSON. BUT THANK YOU, MAYOR.

YES, SIR. THAT IS CORRECT.

THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY BUDGETED.

WHAT I THINK IF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, IT'LL COME INTO NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET AS A CAPITAL PROJECT AND WE'LL GET BUSY.

MISS JOY. NEW POOL.

HAVE YOU PRICED WHAT IT WOULD COST TO REPLACE THE WHOLE THING? TEAR IT UP. START OVER.

WE HAVE SOME POTENTIAL FIGURES THAT THE HARD PART ABOUT THIS IS THAT IT REALLY DEPENDS ON HOW BIG AND HOW.

I MEAN, YOUR RANGE OF WHAT YOU COULD DO HERE COULD GO FROM, YOU KNOW, $5 MILLION TO $15 MILLION.

IT'S REALLY GOING TO DEPEND ON WHAT SIZE THOSE TYPES.

SAME SIZE, SAME SIZE AS WE HAVE NOW.

YOU KNOW, JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, YOU'RE LOOKING IN BETWEEN 6 TO 8..

MILLION. YES. WELL, I THINK WE HAD A DISCUSSION EARLY ON WITH THIS COUNCIL ABOUT POOLS IN GENERAL AND THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT AN AUDITORIUM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO. I THINK THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE PUT IN THE FUTURE, IF WE WANT IT REOPENED TO THE TUNE OF 325,000 WITH NO GUARANTEES.

GONNA BE A TOUGH CALL.

IT WAS A VERY TOUGH CALL.

YES IT IS.

MISS MARTINEZ GARCIA.

MAYOR, I HAVE JUST ONE MORE QUESTION.

SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE BASICALLY FORECASTING THAT OVER THE SUMMER CLAPP POOL WILL BE CLOSED? YES, MA'AM. I CANNOT OPEN THAT POOL SAFELY WITH MY GUARDS.

THOSE IN THAT PUMP ROOM THE GUARDS AND STAFF HAVE TO BE IN THERE DAILY.

THAT AS SOON AS WE START THE POOL, THOSE PUMPS RUN 24 HOURS A DAY, EVERY DAY.

AND SO THERE ARE THERE ARE VIBRATIONS THAT IF YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THIS PICTURE IS RIGHT OVER THE TOP OF IT, THAT PUMP SYSTEM THERE IS VIBRATING ALL THE TIME.

AND SO YOU POTENTIALLY HAVE THAT, THAT IT'S JUST GOING TO CONTINUE.

AND THEN WITH THE CHLORINE ADDED INTO THE POOL, YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE FAILURES.

AND THE LAST THING WE WANT IS ONE OF OUR STAFF IN THERE AND SOMETHING HAPPENS.

AND WE ACTUALLY GOT TO SEE THAT.

AND I WHEN WE DID THE TOUR, YOU COULD ALREADY SEE ALL THE THE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES.

IT WAS ALREADY EVIDENT THAT THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE NEXT.

BUT I GUESS THE OTHER PART IS, WILL WE SET UP SOMETHING? ARE WE PROACTIVELY GOING TO SET UP SOMETHING FOR THE KIDS? BECAUSE THAT IS A WELL ATTENDED POOL AND THERE ARE SO MANY CHILDREN IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I THINK FOR ME IT'S JUST IMPORTANT THAT WE START PLANNING, IF THAT'S THE CASE AND START THINKING, YOU KNOW, JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE

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SURE. THANK YOU, MISS MARTINEZ GARCIA.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF COLBY? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

WE'VE GOT A LOT OF THINGS TO THINK ABOUT ON THAT.

ALL RIGHT. CITY COUNCIL WILL CONTINUE NOW IN OPEN SESSION, AND WE WILL FIRST BEGIN.

WE WILL FIRST BEGIN, PAUSE, WITH OUR CEREMONIAL ITEMS AND TODAY I'M PLEASED

[1. Invocation]

HE'S A CHAPLAIN AND YOUTH MINISTER WITH COVENANT HEALTH SYSTEM AND SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH.

I KNOW MANY PEOPLE KNOW JOSH HERE.

GOT TO MEET HIM EARLIER.

APPRECIATE HIM BEING HERE.

IF YOU WOULD ALL PLEASE RISE IF YOU IF YOU WISH.

AND AS SOON AS THE PRAYER IS DONE, WE WILL IMMEDIATELY MOVE INTO OUR PLEDGES LED BY MAYOR PRO TEM PATTERSON HARRIS.

PASTOR MCDONALD. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR THE INVITATION TO BE HERE.

AND A COUPLE OF WEEKS BACK OR A MONTH OR SO BACK.

MY PASTOR, CHARLIE JOHNSON, GAVE A MESSAGE ON SUNDAY, AND HE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH THE FORT WORTH ISD.

AND WHEN HE WENT TO SPEAK TO THEM, AND WHAT HE TOLD THEM HAS RESONATED WITH ME AND WHAT HE TOLD THAT ISD IS, HE STARTED OFF WITH THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO LOOK OUT FOR OTHERS.

THANK YOU FOR DOING A JOB THAT IS HARD AND SOMETIMES VERY THANKLESS.

ALWAYS A CRITIC, BUT STANDING IN THERE AND DOING THE RIGHT THING.

AND SO I JUST WANT TO KIND OF FOLLOW WHAT I LEARNED IN CHARLIE FROM THAT MINUTE, SAY THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

AND BEFORE I PRAY, I'M GOING TO SAY THIS IS WHAT I FOUND IN SCRIPTURE.

I WAS THINKING ABOUT GOVERNMENT FROM ROMANS 13, VERSE ONE.

IT SAYS, LET EVERY PERSON BE SUBJECT TO THE GOVERNING AUTHORITIES, FOR THERE IS NO AUTHORITY EXCEPT FROM GOD, AND THOSE THAT EXIST HAVE BEEN INSTITUTED BY GOD.

FOR THE GOVERNING AUTHORITY IS GOD'S SERVANT FOR YOUR GOOD.

I THINK IT'S JUST IMPORTANT FOR US TO KEEP THAT IN MIND, ALL OF US, THAT WHAT YOU DO IS FOR OUR GOOD THROUGH GOD'S HAND.

AND SO AGAIN, THANK YOU.

SO I'LL SAY A PRAYER AND THEN WE'LL HAND OFF.

LORD JESUS, SUCH A GIFT IT IS TO BE HERE TODAY WITH THESE MEN, WITH THESE WOMEN, GOD, THAT YOU HAVE INSTITUTED, THAT YOU HAVE BROUGHT INTO THIS POSITION TO GOVERN, TO LEAD THIS CITY, TO HELP THESE PEOPLE OF LUBBOCK, TO BE GOOD.

AND SO, LORD, I PRAY THAT YOU WOULD GUIDE AND DIRECT THE THOUGHTS AND THE ACTIONS AND THE WORDS OF EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE PEOPLE UP HERE.

I PRAY, GOD, THAT YOU WOULD PUT ON THEIR HEARTS YOUR DESIRES.

I PRAY GOD THAT YOU WOULD GIVE THEM YOUR PLANS.

I PRAY GOD THAT YOU GIVE THEM THE STRENGTH TO WALK STRONG WHEN IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYTHING IS AGAINST THEM.

I PRAY GOD THAT YOU LET THEM HAVE THE GRACE THEY NEED, WHEN IT JUST FEELS LIKE I GOT TO SIT DOWN AND REST, I CANNOT TAKE ANOTHER STEP AND THAT THEY WOULD KNOW GOD BEYOND ANY SHADOW OF DOUBT, THAT THEY ARE NOT FORSAKEN NOR ABANDONED, BUT THAT YOU ARE WITH THEM, AND THAT YOU WILL HELP THEM.

LORD, I PRAY FOR THE CITY.

I PRAY FOR THE PEOPLE IN THIS CITY.

I PRAY THAT WE MOVE CLOSER TO YOU AND LOOK TO YOU AND ALL THAT WE DO.

AND IN THIS GOD, I ASK THAT YOUR HAND OF BLESSING WOULD BE UPON US, SO THAT WE MAY BE A CITY ON A HILL, A LIGHT TO THOSE THAT ARE AROUND US.

ASK ALL THIS IN JESUS NAME THROUGH THE POWER OF THE SPIRIT, ALL THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER.

AMEN. THANK YOU.

WOULD YOU PLEASE REMAIN STANDING AS WE OFFER THE PLEDGE TO THE UNITED STATES AND TEXAS FLAG?

[2. Pledges of Allegiance]

ALL RIGHT, WE'LL NOW MOVE TO OUR TIME FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS.

[4. Citizen Comments - According to Lubbock City Council Rules, any citizen wishing to appear in-person before a regular meeting of the City Council, regarding any matter posted on the City Council Agenda below, shall complete the sign-up form provided at the meeting, no later than 2:00 p.m. on April 9, 2024. Citizen Comments provide an opportunity for citizens to make comments and express a position on agenda items. ]

AND HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE COMMENTS EXPRESS A POSITION ON AN AGENDA ITEM.

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SOME IF YOU'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED, IF YOU'LL PLEASE STEP FORWARD TO THE MICROPHONE HERE.

IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.

AND AT THAT TIME, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

JIMMY OVER HERE WILL GIVE YOU A FIRST RING OF A BELL WHEN YOU HIT 2.5 MINUTES, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE 30 MORE SECONDS, AND THEN HE'LL GIVE YOU A DOUBLE RING WHEN YOUR THREE MINUTES IS UP. ONCE WE'RE DONE WITH CITIZEN COMMENTS, WE'LL MOVE TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA AND TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

AND I'LL FIRST START OFF WITH JOE RUSHING.

HOW ARE YOU GUYS DOING TODAY? APPRECIATE IT.

JOE RUSHING, DID YOU SAY STATE? WHAT ELSE? ADDRESS.

7601 CANTON AVENUE.

I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK ON THE THE EASEMENT THINGS IN THE ALLEY WITH THE SEWERS.

PART OF THE ISSUE IS, IS I LOOK AT ALL THESE OTHER PLACES AND ALL THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE IS GOING OUT TO THE STREET.

SO WE HAVE A HUGE SEPARATION IN IN INFRASTRUCTURE UNDERGROUND IN LUBBOCK.

WE'VE GOT TWO KIND OF CRAMMED INTO AN ALLEY.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM LIES, BECAUSE WHEN WE COME IN AND START DOING THIS, THERE'S SO MUCH STUFF THAT WE HAVE TO MISS.

I'M NOT SAYING THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO MISS IT, BUT WE HAVE TO MISS IT.

WE HAVE TO USE VERY EXPENSIVE EQUIPMENT.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I'M HEARING IS THAT, WE CAN DO IT FOR 1000 OR $1500.

INSANE. YOU CAN'T DO IT FOR 1000 OR $1500.

AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT QUITE A BIT.

AND I THINK THE REASON THAT WE CAN'T DO THAT IS LIKE THE COST OF OUR EQUIPMENT.

I DON'T KNOW, AND I'M GOING TO LOOK INTO IT AND MAYBE Y'ALL CAN ANSWER THIS.

I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL ARE HAVE OSHA STANDARDS, JUST LIKE WE DO IN THE SHORING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BUT WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING SHORING IN THE GROUND TO PROTECT OUR MEN BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS SO CRAMMED TOGETHER.

SO WHEN EVERYTHING IS SO CRAMMED TOGETHER AND YOU TRY TO PUT SHORING BOXES, EVERYTHING IS IN THE WAY.

WE CAN'T GET THE PROPER SHORING.

SO WHAT DOES THAT ENTAIL? YOU HAVE TO OPEN THE GROUND UP VERY, VERY WIDE SO THAT YOUR SHORED KIND OF AT A 45 DEGREE ANGLE SO NOTHING CAN COME IN ON THEM.

WELL, IN ORDER TO DO THAT YOU GOT TO HAVE THESE 100, 150, $200,000 TRACTORS.

NO COMPANY IN TOWN IS GOING TO SUPPORT THAT.

AND THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY IS PLUMBERS, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE CHARGING.

HERE'S THE PROBLEM.

WE'RE IN THIS FOR PROFIT.

THIS IS A BUSINESS. I DON'T THINK THE CITY OF LUBBOCK IS REPAIRING THEM IN THE ALLEY FOR A PROFIT.

AND SO WHEN Y'ALL START TALKING 1000 OR $1500 TO DO A REPAIR, I CAN'T EVEN HIDE OR EXCAVATE IT FOR THAT.

NOW, WE STILL GOT MATERIAL.

I'VE GOT MAN LABOR.

THEN I'VE GOT A CALL IN, YOU KNOW, INSPECTIONS.

WAIT ON THOSE, THEN WE'VE GOT TO GO BACK AND BACKFILL.

I HEARD SOMEONE SAY WE CAN BACKFILL IT IN AN HOUR AND COMPACT IT.

I'D SURE LIKE TO SHOW UP AND SEE HOW YOU DO THAT.

THAT'S CRAZY.

I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE CITY ON THIS ALL THE WAY AND EVERYBODY'S BEEN SO HELPFUL.

I CAN MAKE PHONE CALLS.

AND I MEAN, IT'S LIKE INSTANTLY PEOPLE ARE GETTING BACK WITH ME.

WE'RE KIND OF IN A PICKLE HERE BECAUSE OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.

IN THE SMALL EASEMENTS.

I GOT BUDDIES THAT ARE IN AUSTIN AND DALLAS AND BIG, BIG AREAS THAT THEY CAN WORK IN AND GET THE SHORING RIGHT IN THERE.

SO YES, I AGREE.

I THINK JOHN TURPIN WAS THE ONE SAYING THAT YOU NEED TO GET SEVERAL ESTIMATES, AND I AGREE WITH THAT.

BUT THIS 1000 TO $1500 TO GET THEM DONE IN THE ALLEY IS INSANE, LIKE I CAN'T EVEN SHOW UP FOR THAT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE I KEEP HEARING THESE NUMBERS AND NOT EVEN CLOSE.

THANK YOU. JOE, THANK YOU.

JOHN KING.

MY NAME IS JOHN KING.

I'M AT 9105 HURON AVENUE.

WHEN THE CITY DECIDED TO MAKE THE CHANGE TO THE RIGHT OF WAY WITH THE SEWER TAPS AND THE RULES, WE SAW AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE OUR BUSINESS.

WE SAW AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE CARE OF OUR CUSTOMERS.

BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL REALIZE IS WE GO OUT AND REPLACE A SEWER LINE, RIGHT? SOMETIMES THERE'S A LONG LAG BETWEEN WHEN WE GET THE SEWER LINE REPLACED AND WHEN THE SEWER TAP CAN BE REPLACED.

I'VE SEEN IT AS HIGH AS A WEEK.

I DON'T HAVE REAL GOOD DATA TO TELL YOU THAT, BUT THAT'S A REALLY FRUSTRATING THING FOR A HOMEOWNER.

WHEN YOU CAN'T USE THE SHOWER OR THE TOILET OR ANY OF THAT STUFF.

IT'S REALLY FRUSTRATING FOR BUSINESS BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE NO REVENUE COMING IN WHILE THAT PERIOD OF TIME TAKES PLACE.

SO WHAT WE DID IS WE WENT OUT AND MADE $180,000 INVESTMENT TRUCK, HYDROVAC, BACKFIELD, TRAILER, ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO DO THIS JOB CORRECTLY. COMPACTION TOOLS AND REALLY WHERE I THINK THIS MAKES SENSE FOR NOT ONLY HOMEOWNERS, BUT FOR BUSINESSES.

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BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IF WE'RE OUT THERE AND DOING THE TAP.

I MEAN, DOING THE SEWER LINE TO NOT GO AHEAD AND REPLACE THE TAP.

SO I HOPE YOU TAKE SOME TIME AND CONSIDER, AND WE'RE ON THE APPROVED CONTRACTOR LIST.

WE'VE GONE OUT AND GOTTEN THE BONDS AND ALL THE TOOLS THAT ARE NECESSARY TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

I HOPE THAT THE CITY LOOKS AT THAT AND SAYS, OKAY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S A MONETARY PIECE TO THIS, AND THAT REALLY DOESN'T CHANGE WHETHER YOU GUYS DO IT OR WE DO IT.

THERE'S A COST THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH IT, AND IT'S NOT INEXPENSIVE.

AND THAT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.

LET'S SEE HERE. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE MEAT OF THE MESSAGE IS IF YOU GUYS CAN TAKE THE TIME TO REALLY EVALUATE THIS, I KNOW THIS THE GRAPH THAT I SAW LAST TIME AND THE PERCENTAGE OF TIME THAT TAKES AWAY FROM OTHER PROJECTS IS SIGNIFICANT.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS.

I'M WITH BRUCE THORNTON AIR CONDITIONING.

WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 52 YEARS.

WE HAVE NO PLANS OF DOING ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE BEST FOR OUR CUSTOMERS.

THAT'S HOW YOU STAY IN BUSINESS FOR 52 YEARS.

AND THE QUALITY PIECE OF THIS IS THE OTHER ONE, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT SOMEBODY THAT'S OUT THERE.

I'VE HEARD THE STORIES, THE TRASH TRUCKS RUNNING OVER.

WELL, IF YOU DON'T DO THE PROPER COMPACTION THAT'S GOING TO TAKE PLACE.

AND SO I HOPE THAT THE CITY WOULD GO OUT AND LOOK AT THIS MORE HOLISTICALLY AND TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO BETTER FOR THE CITIZENS OF LUBBOCK.

ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME.

THANK YOU JOHN. APPRECIATE IT.

DAVID BENITEZ.

HELLO AGAIN. MY NAME IS DAVID BENITEZ.

MY ADDRESS IS 602 EAST COUNTY ROAD 5500 NEW DEAL.

BUT I'M EMPLOYED HERE IN LUBBOCK, AND THIS PERTAINS TO US.

AND THE ONLY THING I HAVE TO ADD TO WHAT JOHN SAID IS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES WAS THE COST TO DO THE SEWER LINE IN THE YARD WAS 1700 BUCKS, BUT THE COST IN THE ALLEY WAS 3000.

THE REASON THE COST IN THE ALLEY IS SO MUCH IS BECAUSE THE EQUIPMENT IT REQUIRED TO DO THE PROPER DIGGING AND EXCAVATING IN THE ALLEY COST SO MUCH, AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON IT COST MORE TO DO THE ALLEY THAN IT DOES THE YARD.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE REALLY TO ADD TO WHAT JOHN SAID.

BUT WE SURE HOPE THAT YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT IT.

YOU KNOW BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN EASY DECISION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DAVID.

JEFF REECE.

THANK YOU. WHAT IF WE WANTED TO ASK YOU CROSS EXAMINATION QUESTIONS? NOW I'M JUST, I'M JUST KIDDING.

THAT'S ALL RIGHT. KEVIN WHITE? KEVIN WHITE, 5709 79TH.

I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ON 6.42 ON THE ZONE CASE.

THANK YOU KEVIN.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL. THAT'S A SECOND READ UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA.

SO KEVIN IS HERE, AVAILABLE.

MISS WARD. DO I NEED TO GO THROUGH THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR YOU ON HOW TO DO THIS? NO, SIR. ALL RIGHTY.

OTHER THAN LOWERING THE MIC A BIT.

MICHAEL WARD, 5417 EIGHTH STREET.

I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO REALLY GO INTO THE BACKUP ON A LOT OF THESE, BUT I WAS COMING PRIMARILY FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT IT ALL SORT OF FITS TOGETHER IN MY WORLD.

THE. I'M GLAD THAT FINALLY SOMETHING IS BEING PUT ON PAPER FROM THE 2040 PLAN EXTENSION FOR THESE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE SOMETIMES NEGLECTED AND SOMETIMES USED, AS I CALL IT, SORT OF A FRONT TO DO OTHER THINGS.

ANY LCDC WAS A BIG, SIMILAR TYPE OF THING, BUT IT'S ONE THING TO PUT IT ON PAPER, AND IT'S ANOTHER THING TO IMPLEMENT IT, THAT WE NEED TO QUIT NEGLECTING THESE PARTS OF TOWN AND REALLY DO THINGS THAT ARE MEANINGFUL AND NOT ALL ABSORBED IN OVERHEAD AND SALARIES AND THAT TYPE OF THING CONNECTED WITH IT.

SO I FOLLOWED A LOT OF THE 2040 PLAN AND WAS GLAD TO SEE SOMETHING COME OF THAT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S TAKEN HOW MANY YEARS NOW? SINCE 2018, BASICALLY.

BUT IT'S STILL AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF THIS.

I HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO READ THE TABLE OF CONTENTS, BUT LIKE I SAY, I'VE BEEN IN THIS FOR SO MANY YEARS THAT I KNOW WORDS CAN BE SO MUCH AND

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AND IT'S NOT SO MUCH ABOUT MONEY AS IT IS LISTENING TO NEIGHBORHOODS AND DOING THINGS THAT REALLY IMPROVE THINGS.

AND I DIDN'T SIGN UP FOR 2014 AND 15, BUT I WAS GLAD TO SEE THAT THERE ARE SOME THINGS GOING FROM THE MARKET LUBBOCK PART, WHICH I'M USUALLY PRETTY CRITICAL OF, BUT IT'S GOOD THAT IT'S EXPANDING TO DO THINGS IN SOME AREAS THAT DIDN'T HAVE ANY WAY TO HELP SMALL ENTREPRENEURS, AND I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT THING.

SO THIS ONE ON EAST 19TH IS A GOOD STEP.

AND ALSO ON 34TH STREET, WHICH IS 2016.

BUT JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON THOSE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR TO REALLY PAY ATTENTION TO THEM.

AND IT WAS A THAT WAS A VERY EXPENSIVE 2040 PLAN BECAUSE PROBABLY $1 MILLION WITH ALL OF THE FOOD AND EVERYTHING ELSE INVOLVED.

BUT I WENT TO A LOT OF THOSE, AND THIS WAS SORT OF ADDED AS AN AFTERTHOUGHT.

BUT I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE FINALLY GETTING AROUND TO PUTTING IT ON PAPER, AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL, I'LL CONTINUE TO MONITOR IT BECAUSE I'VE WATCHED THESE THINGS FOR A LONG, LONG TIME, AND I'LL COMMENT FURTHER ON THE REST OF IT IN A FEW MINUTES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS WARD.

ALMA JOHNSON.

MY NAME IS ALMA GACEY JOHNSON.

I LIVE AT 2420 EAST 30TH STREET.

AND YOU KNOW IT IS SO FUNNY.

I AM UP HERE SO FAST.

I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO GET MYSELF TOGETHER.

I'M HERE AS KIND OF LIKE A PLEAD, I GUESS FOR THE BIKERS.

I JUST GLANCED AT IT BECAUSE USUALLY I COME TO SOME OF THE MEETINGS AND I LEARN A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I AM GOING TO, I GUESS, BE SAYING, PLEASE DO NOT TAKE A LANE AWAY FROM MLK AT ALL.

IT'S GOING TO SOUND REALLY BAD, I GUESS, FOR EVERYBODY, BUT.

WHO WANT THESE BIKES OVER THERE OFF MLK? WHO LIVE IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS OVER THERE THAT ARE REALLY RIDING THE BIKES THAT THEY HAVE TO ACTUALLY HAVE ALL THIS SPACE? I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T SEE THEM.

I DO SEE SOME PEOPLE.

BUT I THINK YOU CAN RIDE YOUR BIKE, I JUST SAID MACKENZIE PARK OR SOMEWHERE.

SOMEWHERE THAT YOU CAN'T RIDE YOUR BIKE INSTEAD OF ON THE STREET OF MLK.

THERE'S HILLS AND DIPS AND EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE.

EVERYWHERE BUT EAST LUBBOCK.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS TO ME WE'RE ALREADY CROWDED.

YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE A DUMP GROUND FOR US ANYWAY.

SO, I THINK WE CAN FIND ANOTHER PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO RIDE THEIR BIKES IN THAT OTHER LITTLE VEHICLE THINGS THAT THEY RIDE THAT AND NOT NECESSARILY ON THE STREET, BUT I JUST I'M JUST PLEADING FOR DO NOT TAKE A LANE AWAY FROM MLK.

JUST DO NOT TAKE A LANE FROM MLK.

THE MAN THAT GOT UP TO DO THE PRAYER WAS A GOOD PRAYER, AND I HOPE THAT EVERYBODY DO PRAY ENOUGH TO THINK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT ARE THAT YOU ALL HAVE TO CONSIDER, ESPECIALLY IN MY AREA.

I AM PLEADING FOR MY AREA BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S ALWAYS, ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY CAN STICK OVER THERE ON THE IN THESE LUBBOCK WILL TAKE AWAY.

SO I'M KIND OF PLEADING FOR THAT AREA.

THE SEWER, I HOPE YOU ALL LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SEWER BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET THAT SITUATION TAKEN CARE OF.

IT IS VERY IMPORTANT.

THANK YOU, MISS JOHNSON.

MISS ANDERSON.

GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS CAROL ANDERSON.

[INAUDIBLE] I'M HERE TO ADDRESS THE JUMBO MANHATTAN PLAN.

I'D LIKE TO FIRST THANK MR. BOWLING AND THE CONSULTING TEAM FOR THEIR HARD WORK AND TIME THAT THEY PLACED AND PUT INTO THIS PLAN.

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THE GROUP MET WITH MEMBERS OF THE GROUP, MET WITH MR. BOWLING TO REVIEW THE PLAN.

AND WE HAVE TWO POINTS THAT WE LIKE FOR THE COUNCIL TO RECONSIDER.

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POINT FIVE.

WE REALIZED THAT THE CEMETERY, GRAIN ELEVATOR AND TRAINS CANNOT BE MOVED.

BUT, WE'RE ASKING THAT THE COUNCIL ALLOW THE CITIZENS TO LIVE THAT LIVE ON THE EAST SIDE TO SLEEP.

THEREFORE, WE ANTHEM THAT THE TRAINS AT IDLE THAT THEY PARK ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE OVERPASS ON EAST 19TH. IT'S HARD TO GO TO SLEEP WHEN YOU GOT A HUMMING IN YOUR EAR ALL NIGHT LONG.

THE NEXT IS PAGE 53, ENHANCING BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE BY NARROWING THE PATH THAT GOES ACROSS THE OVERPASS THAT GO ACROSS 34TH AND MLK.

WE ONLY HAVE ONE EXIT TO 34TH STREET OVER THERE, AS IT IS.

WE HAVE DIESELS.

WE HAVE EVERY TYPE OF VEHICLE GOING OVER THAT OVERPASS TO NARROW THAT LANE, THOSE LANES WILL BE DANGEROUS TO THOSE WHO ARE TRAVELING BACK AND FORTH OVER THAT, THOSE TWO LANES.

I LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THIS, BECAUSE WE ON THE EAST SIDE FEEL LIKE WE'RE NEVER HEARD.

WE COME SPEAK AND WE NEVER HEARD AND WE HAVE REALLY FEEL LIKE WE'RE TIRED OF BEING IGNORED BY THE COUNCIL. SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MISS ANDERSON.

ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS.

I NOW MOVE TO THE MINUTES AND 5.1.

[5. Minutes]

THE MARCH 5TH REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES UNDER 5.1? SECOND. THANK YOU, MISS MARTINEZ-GARCIA, MR. MASSENGALE, THE SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL OF 5.1, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO.

WE'RE GOING TO NOW MOVE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[6. Consent Agenda - Items considered to be routine are enacted by one motion without separate discussion. If the City Council desires to discuss an item, the item is removed from the Consent Agenda and considered separately.]

THIS IS A BUDGET ORDINANCE AMENDMENT ON THE SECOND READING FOR THE WATER CAPITAL PROJECT FUND.

MR. ATKINSON.

THANK YOU MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL.

ITEM 6.6 AND THEN 6.6.1 GO TOGETHER.

THE FIRST IS THE BUDGET AMENDMENT.

THE SECOND IS THE UTILITY AGREEMENT WITH TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.

SPECIFICALLY, THIS IS RELATED TO SOME WATER LINE RELOCATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE NEW LAKE LOOP.

EXCUSE ME, LOOP 88.

IT IS CALLED SEGMENT THREE D BY TXDOT.

FOR US IT IS CALLED BETWEEN FRANKFURT AND MILWAUKEE AVENUE.

UNIQUE PROGRAM.

THESE WERE ALL ORIGINALLY SET UP BACK WHEN THE LOOP WAS FIRST ANNOUNCED.

WE FRONT THE COST TO MAKE THESE RELOCATIONS, IN THIS CASE IN THE AMOUNT OF 1.95 MILLION, AND THEN WHEN COMPLETED, TXDOT REIMBURSES US.

IN THIS CASE, WE WILL GET 1.9 MILLION BACK.

SO WE DO HAVE A NET COST, BUT IT'S VERY SMALL.

IT'S ROUGHLY 7% OF THE TOTAL PROJECT AND I'D BE PLEASED TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

AND I THINK THAT COVERS 6 6 AND 6.61, CORRECT? YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT COUNCIL, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. ATKINSON ON THOSE ITEMS? MISS JOY. THERE'S $48,000 PLUS THAT'S COMING FROM THE WATER CAP FROM A WATER CAPITAL PROJECT.

IS THAT CORRECT? FROM THE CAPITAL PROJECT FUND? YES. OKAY.

AND WAS THAT SPECIFICALLY SET ASIDE FOR THIS PROJECT OR WAS THAT JUST.

A WATER FUND THAT YOU'VE BEEN ACCUMULATING FUNDS IN THROUGH THE YEARS.

IT'S FOR THIS PROJECT.

WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD A NUMBER OF THOSE IN THE CAPITAL LIST FOR A PERIOD OF YEARS.

SO YOU ANTICIPATED THIS WOULD COME FROM THAT FUND? YES. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TXDOT TO REIMBURSE US? WE'RE NOT SURE.

WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE REIMBURSEMENTS BACK FROM THE FIRST PHASES THAT WERE DONE.

AND WHAT MIGHT WE DO ABOUT THAT? WE CONTINUE TO WAIT TILL THEY CLOSE THOSE PROJECTS AND THEN PUSH ON THEM TO DO THAT.

WE WILL GET IT, I HAVE NO DOUBT.

IT'S JUST I CAN'T TELL YOU THE TIME FRAME IN WHICH WE WILL.

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THANK YOU, MS. JOY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON 66 661? ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL NOW MOVE TO 6.12.

THIS IS A FINANCE RESOLUTION REGARDING PUBLICATION AND POSTING OF NOTICE OF INTENTION TO ISSUE SOME GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS.

MR. ATKINSON, AH MR. KOSTELICH. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SO ITEM 6.12 IS A NOTICE OF INTENT TO PUBLISH IN THE NEWSPAPER.

FOR OUR ANNUAL ISSUANCE OF BONDS, THIS IS GOING TO BE BOTH YOUR GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS AND CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION.

THESE WERE THE PROJECTS THAT BACK IN, YOU KNOW, EARLY AUGUST AND THROUGH THE BUDGET APPROVAL PROCESS, WE TALKED THROUGH THESE.

WE'VE OUTLINED WHICH PROJECTS WE'RE GOING TO UNDERTAKE THIS YEAR THAT WILL REQUIRE DEBT FINANCING.

SO AND THIS IS THIS IS US NOW BRINGING THIS FORWARD AND STARTING THE LEGAL PROCESS TO ISSUE THESE BONDS.

THIS DOES NOT AUTHORIZE US TO GO OUT FOR BONDS.

THIS DOES NOT APPROVE OF OF ISSUING ANY BONDS WHATSOEVER AT THIS POINT.

THIS IS SIMPLY THE FIRST STEP IN THAT THAT ISSUANCE PROCESS SET UP BY STATE STATUTE THAT SAYS, WE'VE GOT TO PUBLISH IT FOR THE THE CITIZENS FOR AT LEAST 45 DAYS BEFORE WE CAN COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR AN ORDINANCE TO ACTUALLY MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ISSUANCE OF THESE BONDS.

MAYOR, COUNCIL.

I'LL PAUSE THERE AND TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON 6.12? MISS JOY? YES.

WHAT CAUGHT MY EYE ON THIS? I UNDERSTOOD THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS THAT NEED TO BE ISSUED.

BUT THE REVENUE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION CAUGHT MY EYE BECAUSE THOSE WERE WHAT WE CALL COS, WHICH IN THE PAST HAVE BEEN SCRUTINIZED.

HOWEVER, THIS IS NOT TO BE PAID FROM GENERAL FUND.

THIS IS TO BE PAID FROM THE ENTERPRISE FUND FOR WHICH THIS MONEY IS TO BE USED FOR THE PROJECTS.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

MA'AM. THESE ARE THESE ARE WHAT YOU CALL THOSE DOUBLE BARREL PLEDGES.

SO THE THE REVENUE OF THAT SYSTEM IS WHAT ACTUALLY PAYS IT BACK NOW BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT INDEPENDENTLY RATED.

THEY CAN'T THESE SYSTEMS CAN'T ISSUE THEIR OWN DEBT.

THEY DO HAVE TO HAVE A SMALL LIKE $500 PLEDGE OF PROPERTY TAXES.

IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT PROPERTY TAXES ARE GOING TO TOUCH THESE AT ALL.

THAT'S JUST THE COSIGNER ON THE LOAN.

IT IS THE ACTUAL REVENUES THAT THAT PAY THIS DEBT.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN, A $500? IT'S JUST LIKE LIKE COSIGNING LIKE A PARENT COSIGNING A CAR LOAN FOR THEIR CHILD.

THERE'S NOT ACTUALLY ANY MONEY.

IT'S THE IT'S THE BACKSTOP IN CASE SOMETHING GOES COMPLETELY WRONG WITH THAT SYSTEM.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. KOSTELICH.

THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS. ON 6.12, I BELIEVE WE'LL MOVE TO 6.28, IT'S THE ENGINEERING RESOLUTION ON THE SOME SEMIANNUAL REPORT.

IS MR. KEENUM ON..

MR. MAYOR I THINK I'LL START WITH THAT, IF YOU DON'T MIND I WOULD RECOGNIZE MIKE KEENUM, CITY ENGINEER IS IN THE AUDIENCE AS IS MR. CHRIS BERRY AND MR. BERRY IS YOUR CURRENT CHAIR OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

SO THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS TO RECEIVE THE REQUIRED SEMIANNUAL REPORT SUBMITTED TO YOU BY THIS COMMITTEE.

THE REPORT IN THIS CASE HAS ONE STATEMENT AND TWO RECOMMENDATIONS.

THE STATEMENT READS.

AS THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEE IS BEING COLLECTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW AND WITH CITY CODE, RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE IS TO MAKE MINOR MODIFICATIONS TO ORDINANCE 41.05.002C, AND THIS IS MERELY TO CLARIFY LANGUAGE WITH ITS ORIGINAL INTENT.

AND THIS IS RELATED TO INFILL DEVELOPMENT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH THIS COUNCIL HAS CONSIDERED AND APPROVED.

COUNCIL THAT REVISION WILL FOLLOW LATER.

STEP ONE IS THE REPORT AND THE RECEIPT THEREOF, AND THEN SECOND WILL BE THE THE ORDINANCE.

THE SECOND RECOMMENDATION IS THAT NO OTHER CHANGES ARE RECOMMENDED TO YOUR IMPACT FEE PROGRAM AT THIS TIME.

AND THEN I'LL ADD AN EDITORIAL NOTE.

COUNCIL. YOU ARE STARTING TO SEE THE BENEFIT OF HAVING SUCH A PROGRAM.

YOU'RE RECENTLY AWARDED THROUGH TXDOT BECAUSE OF THE METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION DOLLARS, BUT THE UPLAND PROJECT 66TH TO 82ND, WHICH IS A COMPLICATED PROJECT.

IT HAS A RAILROAD TRACK.

OBVIOUSLY, IT HAS TWO INTERSECTIONS, MARSHA SHARP AND A LOT OF DRAINAGE.

IT'S GOING TO BE A BEAUTIFUL FIVE LANE ROAD WHEN IT GETS STARTED.

TWO DIFFERENT SERVICE AREAS ARE COVERED BY THAT ONE MILE STRETCH, AND THEY ARE BOTH CONTRIBUTING TO MAKING THAT A FULLY FUNDED PROJECT, WHICH IT IS.

MISS JOY.

SO THEY RECOMMEND NO OTHER CHANGES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE STREETS RIGHT NOW ARE

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IS THAT RIGHT? WELL, IT'S IT'S 50% OF 50%.

SO IT'S 25. 25%.

AND THEN THERE IS 0% FOR WATER OR SEWER OR ANY OF THOSE PROJECTS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANKS. AGAIN, MR. ATKINSON. WE'RE JUST RECEIVING THAT REPORT.

NO ACTION ON THAT. JUST THE RECEIPT OF THAT COMMITTEE'S REPORT TODAY, CORRECT? CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ON 6.28.

ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE.

I THINK THAT IS ALL OF THE POOLS THAT WE HAD.

SO I WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE 6.1 THROUGH 6.49.

THANK YOU, MISS JOY. MISS, SECOND BY MISS MARTINEZ GARCIA.

ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA 6.1 THROUGH 6.49, PLEASE SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO.

ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE NOW MOVING TO OUR BOARD APPOINTMENTS.

COUNCIL AS WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, IF THE CONSENT OF COUNCIL, I WILL READ THROUGH THE BOARD NAME.

AND THEN THOSE THAT WILL BE APPOINTED WITH NO OBJECTION.

IF THERE IS AN OBJECTION, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

JUST A POINT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND SERVICES BOARD TO OUR NEXT MEETING.

I BELIEVE IN TWO WEEKS.

AND. SO WE'LL START OFF AT THE TOP WITH ANIMAL SERVICES ADVISORY BOARD.

[1. Board Appointments - City Secretary: Consider appointments to the Animal Services Advisory Board, Audit & Investment Committee, Board of Health, Capital Improvements Advisory Committee, Community Development & Services Board, Keep Lubbock Beautiful Advisory Committee, Lake Alan Henry Board of Appeals, Park and Recreation Board, Public Transit Advisory Board, and the Veterans Advisory Committee.]

NEXT WE HAVE THE AUDIT AND INVESTMENT COMMITTEE.

WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO REAPPOINT BRAD ODELL AND THERESA CLARK TO THAT COMMITTEE.

MOVING TO THE BOARD OF HEALTH, WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO REAPPOINT PAULETTE ROSNICK.

AND THEN TO REPLACE DOCTOR CAMERON HERRING WITH BRENDAN [INAUDIBLE].

NEXT MOVING TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO REAPPOINT CHRIS BERRY.

CHRIS, AGAIN, THANKS FOR YOUR SERVICE AND BEING HERE TODAY.

AND THEN TO REPLACE CATHERINE SALTER AND IRENE FRANKS WITH ALLISON BLAYLOCK AND THOMAS PARKER.

NEXT. MOVING TO THE KEEP LUBBOCK BEAUTIFUL ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WE HAD A RECOMMENDATION TO REAPPOINT CHRISTINA REED.

AND THEN TWO REPLACEMENTS FOR MARION LAWSON AND VALERIE DUVAL WITH JENNIFER ROSEBERRY AND RODNEY SHEA BENSON.

NEXT, WE HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS TO REAPPOINT GARRETT HALEY AND KRISTA JONES ON THE LAKE ALAN HENRY BOARD OF APPEALS.

MOVING ON TO PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD, WE HAD A RECOMMENDATION TO REAPPOINT MICHAEL HENSON AND THEN TO REPLACE GWENDOLYN TITUS AND WILLIAM ANDERSON WITH ELLA O'NEIL AND MORGAN GUFFEY.

ON THE PUBLIC TRANSIT ADVISORY BOARD, WE HAD A RECOMMENDATION TO REAPPOINT SANDRA CHATHAM AND JOANNE LEE AND REPLACE MICHAEL BOARD WITH PERLA SOSA.

AND FINALLY, OUR VETERANS ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

WE HAD A RECOMMENDATION FOR REAPPOINTMENTS OF JEREMY CEDENO, SCOTT ANDERSON, GREGORY RICKS AND CLEMMIE PAYNE JR.

ART COUNCIL, HAVING HEARD THOSE NAMES READ INTO THE RECORD AND TAKEN DOWN, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE REAPPOINTMENTS AND NEW APPOINTMENTS? THANK YOU, MR. MCBRAYER. THANK YOU, MISS JOY.

ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL OF 7.1.

THE BOARD APPOINTMENTS READ INTO THE RECORD THE REAPPOINTMENTS AND APPOINTMENTS.

PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT.

MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL NOW MOVE TO PUBLIC HEARINGS.

[2. Public Hearing - Business Development: Hold a public hearing regarding the proposed adoption of the Guidelines and Criteria for Industrial Tax Abatement agreements, and consider a resolution, in accordance with the Property Redevelopment and Tax Abatement Act. ]

[3. Public Hearing - Business Development: Hold a public hearing regarding the proposed adoption of the Guidelines and Criteria for Commercial Tax Abatement agreements, and consider a resolution, in accordance with the Property Redevelopment and Tax Abatement Act. ]

THESE ARE GUIDELINES AND CRITERIA.

BRIANNA, THE FLOOR WILL BE YOURS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

SEE IF I CAN MAKE THIS FULL SCREEN FOR YOU.

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GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

NICE TO BE WITH YOU TODAY.

ITEM 7.2 AND 7.3 ARE APPROVAL OF UPDATED TAX ABATEMENT GUIDELINES, BOTH FOR INDUSTRIAL TAX ABATEMENT PROJECTS AND COMMERCIAL TAX ABATEMENT PROJECTS.

THEY DO BOTH REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING.

I DO HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR BOTH, SO I CAN DO THOSE TOGETHER OR SEPARATELY, WHICHEVER YOU PREFER MAYOR.

OKAY. ITEM 7.2 REFERS TO OUR INDUSTRIAL TAX ABATEMENT GUIDELINES.

THESE WERE MOST RECENTLY UPDATED IN MARCH OF 2022.

AND THE STATE STATUTE DOES REQUIRE THAT WE LOOK AT THESE AND ADOPT NEW GUIDELINES EVERY TWO YEARS.

AND SO THIS WAS OUR FIRST AVAILABLE COUNCIL MEETING TO DO THAT WITH YOU ALL.

THERE WERE NOT SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE STATUTE IN OUR MOST RECENT LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

AND SO THE MAJORITY OF THE CHANGES THAT YOU WILL SEE IN THIS POLICY ARE STRICTLY GRAMMATICAL.

THERE ARE NO NO LARGE CHANGES TO THE POLICY THAT YOU APPROVED TWO YEARS AGO.

SO JUST FOR OUR NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS PURPOSES AND THEN ALSO FOR THE PUBLIC'S I'LL JUST KIND OF HIT SOME HIGHLIGHTS ON WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THESE POLICIES AND THEN BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

SO AGAIN, FOR ITEM 7.2, WE'RE TALKING STRICTLY INDUSTRIAL PROJECTS.

THE MAXIMUM TERM FOR A TAX ABATEMENT FOR A PROJECT OF THIS TYPE IS TEN YEARS.

THAT IS SET BY STATE LAW.

THAT IS NOT A LOCAL GUIDELINE.

THAT IS SET BY THE STATE.

WE ARE ABLE TO DO TAX ABATEMENT INCENTIVES ANYWHERE UP TO TEN YEARS.

AND SO WE'VE HAD SEVERAL PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY IN THE RECENT PAST, WHERE WE DON'T MAXIMIZE THIS INCENTIVE, BUT TEN IS THE MAXIMUM THAT THE STATE WILL ALLOW.

ELIGIBLE PROPERTIES ARE REAL PROPERTY, TANGIBLE PERSONAL PROPERTY, ON SITE RAW MATERIALS WORKS IN PROGRESS AND SUPPLIES AND TOOLS.

SO REALLY THAT'S THE WAY TO THINK ABOUT THIS, IS BUILDINGS AND THINGS INSIDE OF BUILDINGS THAT DON'T MOVE.

ARE ELIGIBLE PROPERTY.

THINGS LIKE FURNITURE AND FIXTURES, THE LAND UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING, THINGS LIKE THAT ARE INELIGIBLE FOR TAX ABATEMENT.

AND THEN I'VE GOT A LIST HERE OF THE TYPES OF COMPANIES THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS INCENTIVE.

EASIEST WAY TO THINK ABOUT THIS IS THIS.

THESE ARE THE TYPES OF COMPANIES THAT OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ALLIANCE FOCUSES ON.

SO THEY'RE THE TYPES OF COMPANIES THAT ARE PRODUCING WHAT WE CALL PRIMARY JOBS.

SO THAT'S YOUR MANUFACTURING, DISTRIBUTION WAREHOUSE, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

LEPRINO IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THESE COMPANIES THAT YOU ALL HAVE CONSIDERED IN THE RECENT PAST, NON-ELIGIBLE PROPERTIES.

THIS IS A LIST.

OF THOSE ITEMS. BUT WE JUST KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THAT.

AND THEN THE LOCATION I WANTED TO POINT OUT THESE INCENTIVES ARE ONLY ALLOWABLE IN AN ENTERPRISE ZONE, WHICH IS AN AREA THAT'S DESIGNATED BY THE STATE OF TEXAS.

OR IF WE CONSIDER A PROJECT THAT'S NOT IN AN ENTERPRISE ZONE, WE ARE REQUIRED TO MAKE A LOCAL REINVESTMENT ZONE TO DESIGNATE A REINVESTMENT ZONE TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW A TAX ABATEMENT IN THAT AREA.

AND SO YOUR MOST RECENT EXAMPLE OF THAT WAS WHEN WE DID DO OUR ALIGN THEIR TAX ABATEMENT, THE LUBBOCK BUSINESS PARK IS NO LONGER IN THE STATE'S ENTERPRISE ZONE PROGRAM.

AND SO WE DID HAVE TO DESIGNATE A LOCAL REINVESTMENT ZONE FOR THEM TO BE ELIGIBLE.

ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR THESE COMPANIES ARE LISTED ON THIS PAGE, SO A COMPANY MUST BE MODERNIZING OR EXPANDING AN EXISTING FACILITY.

CONSTRUCTING A NEW FACILITY.

ONE OF THOSE TWO AND ALSO BE A PRODUCER OF MANUFACTURING A PRODUCER, MANUFACTURER OR DISTRIBUTOR OF GOODS, OF WHICH 50% LEAVE THE CITY OF LUBBOCK. OUR CRITERIA FOR APPLICATION IS FOR A NEW COMPANY COMING TO LUBBOCK.

THE PROJECT WILL ADD AT LEAST $1 MILLION IN REAL PROPERTY IMPROVEMENTS, 2 MILLION AND NEW PERSONAL PROPERTY, WHICH WHAT WE TYPICALLY SEE WITH A PROJECT LIKE THIS IS NEW EQUIPMENT OR 25 NEW PERMANENT JOBS FOR AN EXISTING COMPANY AND THE REQUIREMENTS ARE SLIGHTLY SMALLER $500,000 IN REAL PROPERTY IMPROVEMENTS, $1 MILLION IN NEW PERSONAL PROPERTY, OR 15 NEW PERMANENT JOBS.

AND THEN THE QUALIFIER HERE JUST SIMPLY STATES THAT JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE THESE GUIDELINES DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE COUNCIL IS OBLIGATED TO ALLOW FOR TAX ABATEMENT INCENTIVES.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON INDUSTRIAL GUIDELINES BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO COMMERCIAL, IF YOU HAVE ANY.

KEEP GOING. LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO COMMERCIAL AND THEN WE CAN TAKE QUESTIONS, IF THERE ARE ANY, BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

YOU MOVED OVER HERE.

OKAY FOR COMMERCIAL PROJECTS, THERE'S A FEW CHANGES THAT I WANTED TO NOTE IN THIS POLICY.

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SO I'VE MADE SOME GRAMMATICAL CHANGES.

THE REAL AREA OF SIGNIFICANCE IS IN THE ENTERPRISE ZONE AREAS.

THE CURRENT GUIDELINES, WHICH ARE THE GUIDELINES THAT WERE ADOPTED IN 2022, WERE BASED OFF OF THE STATE ENTERPRISE ZONES THAT WERE DESIGNATED AFTER THE 2010 CENSUS. WE'VE SINCE COMPLETED THE 2020 CENSUS.

THE STATE HAS NOW HAD TIME TO GO BACK AND RE DESIGNATE ENTERPRISE ZONES, AND SO SOME OF THOSE ZONES HAVE CHANGED.

THEY'VE GONE AWAY.

IN THE CASE OF X-FAB, X-FAB WAS IN AN ENTERPRISE ZONE WHEN WE DID PREVIOUS TAX ABATEMENTS.

THEY NO LONGER ARE.

SO OUR MOST RECENT WE HAD TO CREATE A REINVESTMENT ZONE.

AND SO YOU'LL SEE ON A MAP ON THE NEXT SLIDE, SOME OF THOSE CHANGES BY AND LARGE THE BOUNDARIES ARE STILL THE SAME.

BUT DID WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME CHANGES TO THE ZONES AND THE POLICY STRICTLY BASED ON THE NEW DESIGNATIONS BY THE STATE.

THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IN THE INDUSTRIAL AND THE COMMERCIAL ABATEMENTS IS THE LENGTH OF TIME.

SO FOR COMMERCIAL TAX ABATEMENTS, WE ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO DO THOSE UP TO A FIVE YEAR TERM.

AND THESE COMPANIES ARE YOUR RETAIL SERVICE AND OFFICE INDUSTRIES.

SO SERVICE BEING HOTEL OR RESTAURANT AS AN EXAMPLE.

THEIR ELIGIBLE PROPERTY IS ALSO IMPROVEMENTS TO REAL PROPERTY.

SO BUILDINGS AND THEN TANGIBLE PERSONAL TANGIBLE PERSONAL PROPERTY LIKE EQUIPMENT AND THEY'RE NON ELIGIBLE PROPERTY LIST IS THE SAME AS WHAT YOU SEE IN YOUR INDUSTRIAL GUIDELINES.

ON YOUR NEXT SLIDE YOU DO HAVE THE ENTERPRISE ZONES THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING.

WE UTILIZE THIS PROGRAM WITHIN.

SO YOU'VE GOT THE 2020 CENSUS WHICH ARE YOUR 2022 GUIDELINE ZONES.

AND THEN THE NEW THE NEW ZONES ARE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF YOUR SLIDE.

AND SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS, WE DID NOT ADD OR TAKE AWAY ANYTHING THAT THE STATE DID NOT ADD OR TAKE AWAY.

SIMILAR TO OUR INDUSTRIAL GUIDELINES, ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS ARE THAT A COMPANY MUST MODERNIZE OR EXPAND AN EXISTING FACILITY, CONSTRUCT A NEW FACILITY, AND CLEARLY ADD TO THE ECONOMIC BASE.

AND REALLY, THE QUALIFIER HERE IS THAT ANY JOBS THAT THEY ARE CLAIMING AS PART OF THE APPLICATION FOR THE TAX ABATEMENT MUST BE NEW JOBS TO THE LUBBOCK COMMUNITY.

THEY CANNOT ESSENTIALLY CREATE A DUPLICATE BUSINESS TO SOMETHING THAT ALREADY EXISTS HERE, AND THEN TAKE EMPLOYEES FROM THAT BUSINESS AND COUNT THOSE TOWARDS THEIR JOB CREATION NUMBERS.

JOB CRITERIA AND INVESTMENT CRITERIA FOR COMMERCIAL PROJECTS.

$100,000 IN NEW INVESTMENT TO A BUILDING OR EQUIPMENT, AND THEN TEN NEW PERMANENT JOBS, 30% OF WHICH ARE PEOPLE FROM THE LUBBOCK COMMUNITY.

AND THEN SAME QUALIFIERS ON THIS AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

ALRIGHT COUNCIL. WHY DON'T EVERYBODY'S CONSENT? WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND DO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THEN THAT WE CAN HAVE BRIANNA AVAILABLE IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS OR ANY OF THE QUESTIONS THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT.

AND IF YOU RECALL, 7.2 IS INDUSTRIAL, 7.3 IS CRITERIA FOR COMMERCIAL.

AMY, MITCH, ANY REASON WHY WE CAN'T OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AS TO BOTH 7.2 AND 7.3? ALL RIGHT. SIMILAR IN VEIN, JUST ONE HAS A DIFFERENT INDUSTRIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL.

ALL RIGHT. SO KNOWING THAT AT THIS TIME, THE TEXAS TAX CODE REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING BE CONDUCTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL IN REGARD TO THE PROPOSED ADOPTION OF GUIDELINES AND CRITERIA FOR INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL TAX REBATE AGREEMENTS.

SO AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AS TO AGENDA ITEMS 7.2 AND 7.3.

ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL IN REGARD TO THE PROPOSED GUIDELINES? YOU CAN STEP FORWARD WHEN I, IF YOU STEP FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN, YOUR ADDRESS.

YOU'LL HAVE TIME TO MAKE YOUR STATEMENT.

AND THEN WE'LL START OFF WITH ANY OPPOSED TO AGENDA ITEM 7.2 AND 7.3.

I WOULD NEVER HAVE GOTTEN OUT IN THIS WEATHER EXCEPT THIS NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED.

PRETTY MUCH A HISTORY AS MUCH AS ANYTHING ELSE.

I CAME BACK IN 1981 FROM MEETING ROBERT WOODSON, WHO WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL CIVIL RIGHTS LEADERS, BUT WAS DOING A LOT OF SELF-HELP THINGS FOR SMALL PEOPLE, GETTING STARTED IN BUSINESS AND SO FORTH.

AND IT WASN'T EVEN LEGAL IN TEXAS.

BUT I SPENT A WHOLE AFTERNOON WITH LARRY CUNNINGHAM, WHO WAS THE CITY MANAGER, JIM BERTRAM, WHO WAS HIS ASSISTANT, AND SANDY OGLETREE WAS THE HEAD OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

IT WAS NOT LEGAL IN TEXAS, AS I SAID, BUT I TALKED ABOUT IT, AND BECAUSE I WAS WORKING WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE.

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AND OF COURSE, MY ORIGINAL IDEA WAS PROBABLY FIVE YEARS DECLINING EACH YEAR AND SO FORTH FOR THEM AND SO I KEPT FOLLOWING IT AND PUSHING IT.

AND WHEN IT WAS FINALLY ADOPTED, IT KIND OF MADE, I TOOK PAUSE BECAUSE IT DIDN'T SEEM QUITE WHAT NEEDED TO BE.

BUT THE FIRST PROJECT THAT I REMEMBER WAS TO MOVE A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT FROM ONE SIDE OF THE INTERSTATE TO THE OTHER, AND I FOLLOWED THIS THROUGH ALL THE YEARS, AND SHERYL BROCK KEPT ME UP ON EACH OF THE THINGS.

IN FACT, I HAVE A CURRENT CHART THAT WOULDN'T FIT EVEN ON A LEGAL SIZED SHEET OF PAPER.

BUT AS FAR AS I CAN TELL.

THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A MINORITY OWNED BUSINESS THAT GOT A TAX ABATEMENT.

IN MANY CASES, THEY'VE CREATED AH IN THE AREAS LIKE SHE WAS POINTING OUT, WHICH HELPS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

BUT BASICALLY PUTTING MAKING THINGS INTO ENTERPRISE ZONES A LOT OF DIFFERENT ONES OVER LOTS OF YEARS.

THEY HAVEN'T BEEN USING IT A LOT IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.

BUT THERE'S THREE OF YOU STILL ON THE COUNCIL THAT SUPPORTED THIS MONSANTO PROJECT.

WHICH THEY BOUGHT THE CITY, BOUGHT 150 ACRES, TOLD ME TO BE QUIET BECAUSE THEY WERE PAYING SO MUCH TAXES THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE WORTH IT.

NEXT THING I KNEW, THEY WERE MADE INTO AN ENTERPRISE ZONE AND THROUGH SEVERAL OTHER STEPS.

THEY WERE GIVEN 100% TAX ABATEMENT ON ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING, INCLUDING INVENTORY, FFA, WHICH IS FURNITURE, FIXTURES AND EQUIPMENT AND ON INVENTORY.

AND WHAT HAPPENS ON MOST OF THESE, AND THIS WAS ONE OF THEM AS WELL.

THERE'S LIDA INCENTIVES THAT ARE STACKED.

OFTEN WE'RE PUTTING IN INFRASTRUCTURE, ALL OF THESE KINDS OF THINGS AS WELL, BUT ALSO THEN PAYING FOR ANY EMPLOYEES HIRED SO MUCH PER EMPLOYEE AND SO FORTH.

AND I WAS AMAZED THAT THIS IS HOW IT WENT DOWN, BUT THEY GAVE MONSANTO 100% TAX ABATEMENT ON ALL OF THOSE THINGS FOR TEN YEARS, WHICH HAS BEEN FROM 20.

I GUESS 2019, BY THE TIME IT GOT DONE, IT WAS 2017 AND 18 IN THERE.

BUT. THAT WILL NOT PAY OUT UNTIL 2027, AND THE AMOUNT OF TOTAL ESTIMATED ON THE CHART IS $5,523,714.

IT'S A POSTER CHILD BECAUSE THERE REALLY WASN'T THAT MUCH CREATED.

THE ONLY THING THAT I EVER HEARD WAS THAT WE COULD PLANT OUR FLAG AS BEING THE COTTONSEED CAPITAL OF THE WORLD.

AND I KNOW IT HAS SOME IMPLICATIONS AND HELP FROM TECH RESEARCH AND OTHER THINGS, BUT THAT'S NOT THE PURPOSE OF IT TO BEGIN WITH.

AND THE AREAS THAT WERE INVOLVED OFTEN BURIED SOME TOO.

BUT I KNOW THE LEPRINO THING IS GOING TO BE GREAT, BUT HERE AGAIN, IT'S NOT EVEN STARTED UNTIL APPROXIMATELY 2027.

SO I LIKELY WON'T BE ON THE PLANET BEFORE IT WOULD COME BACK ON THE TAX ROLLS.

BUT IT'S ALSO GEARED TO BE 100%.

WHAT'S HAPPENING IS ON A LOT OF THESE WE'RE BUYING LAND, GIVING IT DEEDING IT OVER TO THESE COMPANIES, AND THEN STACKING THE INCENTIVES, LIKE I SAY OTHER THINGS THAT ARE NOT ABATEMENTS BECAUSE THE ABATEMENT HAS ANOTHER COMPONENT TO IT THAT MOST PEOPLE AREN'T AWARE OF.

AND I HAD TO CONFIRM THAT IT WAS THAT WAY BECAUSE THE COUNTY DOESN'T KEEP UP WITH IT.

BUT THE COUNTY AND THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT AND THE WATER DISTRICT ALL PARTICIPATE.

SO WE'RE DOUBLING, IF NOT MORE, THE CITY'S CONTRIBUTION TO THESE THINGS.

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IT'S JUST.

THE ONES THAT ARE STILL IN EFFECT ARE UNITED SUPERMARKETS WAREHOUSE, WHICH THEY CREATED A OF ENTERPRISE ZONE FOR THE IT AND OF COURSE, MONSANTO.

LEPRINO DOESN'T START YET, BUT IN THE END, THEY'RE ESTIMATING.

OF COURSE, IT MAY GO UP FROM THIS, BUT AT LEAST A MINIMUM OF 19,940,000 OR SO IN THE TEN YEARS ON LEPRINO, AND IT HAS LOTS OF OTHER GOOD SPIN OFF THINGS.

BUT WHEN YOU START STACKING THE INCENTIVES AND THEN LESSENING THE TAX BASE BECAUSE IT'S.

JUST SHIFTING THE TAX BURDEN TO THE REST OF US.

AND A LOT OF US DON'T HAVE A WAY, PARTICULARLY RETIREES, THAT DON'T REALLY HAVE A WAY TO ADD TO OUR INCOME BASED ON THE RAPID GROWTH THAT COMES FROM ALL OF THESE THINGS.

AND SO IT'S IT REQUIRES A LOT MORE INFRASTRUCTURE, A LOT MORE PUBLIC SAFETY, A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT'S GETTING OUT OF THE STRICTLY THE ABATEMENT PART.

BUT BECAUSE THE COUNTY ALSO GOES ALONG WITH THIS.

WE'RE LOSING PROBABLY DOUBLE WHAT THEY SAY, BUT THE THE TOTAL OF THE ONES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN X-FAB IS NOT A HUGE PROBLEM. IT WAS A ON EQUIPMENT, ADDITIONAL THINGS.

AND IT'S A FIVE YEAR DECLINING EACH YEAR.

AND SO IT ONLY WAS OH ABOUT.

A COUPLE OF MAYBE 3 MILLION, CLOSE TO 3 MILLION, BUT TO THE OTHER, ALL OF THEM ADDED TOGETHER THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW ARE JUST SHY OF $29 MILLION.

THE TAXES ARE A CHANGE FROM THAT, BUT I JUST THINK IT'S GOTTEN TOTALLY AWAY FROM.

WHAT ITS ORIGINAL INTENT WAS.

AND AS I SAID A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETIMES.

THE AREAS THAT ARE INVOLVED ARE IN NORTH AND EAST LUBBOCK, AND IT'S SORT OF USED AS A FRONT IN A WAY TO HELP HUGE CORPORATIONS.

SOMETIMES, LIKE MONSANTO IS NOT EVEN A GOOD COMPANY TO START WITH.

LEPRINO HAS LOTS OF OTHER GOOD SPIN OFF THINGS, BUT I HOPE YOU'LL RECONSIDER SOME OF THESE AND.

I KNOW YOU CAN'T NECESSARILY BIND THE NEXT COUNCIL, BUT I WOULD URGE ALL OF YOU TO RECONSIDER HOW MUCH WE'RE USING THESE OR THAT. IT'S THERE, AND IT'S NOT EVEN PART OF THE LIDA INCENTIVES OR THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE SPENDING MONEY ON. SO I JUST THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO GET BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL PURPOSE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND PRETTY LIMITED AT THAT, BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED TO.

KEEP ON JUST PRETENDING THAT EVERYTHING'S FINE.

AND A LOT OF THESE THINGS, LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE NEW CDC THING, WHEN IT CAME BACK BEFORE THE COUNCIL AND IT WASN'T THIS PARTICULAR THING, BUT IT'S BEEN IT'S INDICATIVE AND THE THE POWERPOINT THAT WAS BROUGHT TO THE COUNCIL IN 2012 WAS BASICALLY TO REDO DOWNTOWN LUBBOCK BECAUSE THAT WAS GOING TO REALLY HELP NORTH AND EAST LUBBOCK.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S APPROPRIATE EITHER.

SO FINALLY WE'VE GOTTEN ANY LCDC THE, THE MONEY FROM THE OIL AND GAS THAT WAS GOING AT LEAST 25% OF IT WAS GOING INTO DOWNTOWN LUBBOCK, AND NOW IT'S BACK IN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, WHERE IT SHOULD HAVE ALWAYS BEEN, AND HELPING SOME HOMEOWNERS BRING THEIR HOUSES UP TO CODE AND DO SMALL REPAIRS AND THAT TYPE OF THING.

SO I DIDN'T MEAN TO MAKE A LONG PRESENTATION, BUT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THE HISTORY ON IT AND ITS ORIGINAL INTENT AND HOW IT'S BEEN DIVERTED.

AND I, I'VE SPOKEN OUT ON IT SEVERAL TIMES IN THE, IN THE INTERIM, BUT JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND.

I THINK THIS IS PART OF FINALLY PAYING SOME ATTENTION LIKE WE'RE DOING WITH THOSE OTHER ITEMS. AND. AND JUST WATCHING THAT.

WE'RE NOT PRETENDING THAT THINGS ARE FOR ONE THING, AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO PEOPLE WHO I DON'T THINK REALLY NEED A WHOLE LOT OF INCENTIVES.

BUT THE BRIBERY AND EXTORTION GAME IS ALIVE AND WELL IN TEXAS.

AND BUSINESSES DEMAND SOME OF THESE KINDS OF THINGS IN ORDER TO COME HERE.

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THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

THE PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN TO THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO 7.27.3.

ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE. ANY HERE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF AGENDA ITEM 7.2 OR 7.3.

YOU MAY APPROACH AT THIS TIME.

ALL RIGHT. I WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AS TO AGENDA ITEM 7.2 AND 7.3.

COUNCILOR I REMIND YOU THAT WE WILL, WELL, LET'S GO AHEAD AND JUST TAKE A VOTE ON SEVEN TWO, AND THEN WE CAN TAKE UP SEVEN THREE SEPARATELY.

IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE 7.2? MOVE TO APPROVE. THANK YOU, MR. MASSENGALE. THANK YOU, DOCTOR WILSON.

ALRIGHT IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE ACCEPTANCE OF PROPOSED GUIDELINES? AND AGAIN, I'LL REMIND COUNCIL THIS IS JUST THE ADOPTION OF CRITERIA.

WE'RE NOT DOING ANY ABATEMENTS.

WE'RE NOT VOTING ON ANY ABATEMENTS.

THAT WILL BE FOR FUTURE COUNCILS.

IF THERE'S ANYTHING EVER PRESENTED.

THIS IS SIMPLY A REQUIREMENTS FOR US TO HAVE GUIDELINES AND CRITERIA IN PLACE.

MR. JOY. JUST A QUESTION.

I THINK YEAH, PROBABLY.

BUT I DO THINK MISS WARD MAKES SOME GOOD POINTS, AND IS THERE ANY REASON WHY WE CANNOT? INCLUDE IN THESE GUIDELINES MORE ABOUT LESS THAN 100%.

BECAUSE WHEN THEY'RE PRESENTED TO US.

AND I'VE HAD HIM PRESENTED DIFFERENT WAYS.

SOMETIMES THEY ARE DECLINING ABATEMENTS, WHICH I'M MUCH MORE IN FAVOR OF WE'RE GOING TO DO SO.

IS THERE ANY WAY TO MAKE A REQUIREMENT THAT THAT BE INCLUDED THAT.

IT'S NOT 100% THAT WE VERY MUCH ENCOURAGE DECLINING ABATEMENTS BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE AS THESE BUSINESSES GET UP AND GET RUNNING OVER THAT TEN YEAR PERIOD OR FIVE YEAR, WHICHEVER.

IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMERCIAL, I THINK THE COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO ADD THAT LANGUAGE IN.

IF YOU ALL WANT TO, YOU COULD SPECIFY A REQUIREMENT OR SPECIFY THAT YOU GIVE PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT TO CERTAIN TYPES OF PROJECTS OVER OTHER TYPES OF PROJECTS.

I DON'T LIKE THE WORD PREFERENTIAL.

ME NEITHER. I CAN'T SAY IT SIMPLY BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S IT.

IT MIGHT HAVE MORE TO DO WITH THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT.

FOR EXAMPLE LEPRINO IS WAS AT 1.800 MILLION, AND I THINK IT NOW IT'S IT'S A BILLION.

AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT FROM THAT STANDPOINT SO THAT IT'S JUST NOT OKAY.

IT'S 100%.

I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.

I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE.

AND I WON'T BE AROUND TO TO FINISH IT OFF.

BUT I THINK MISS WARD IS CORRECT.

MS. PATTERSON HARRIS.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

MS. BRANDT, I'M KIND OF ALONG WITH MISS JOY ON THIS.

MISS WARD KIND OF KICKED IN SOME OLD TIMES FOR ME.

AND I REMEMBER THAT THE MONSANTO PROJECT WAS MY VERY FIRST TIME VOTING IN REGARDS TO TAX ABATEMENT ABATEMENTS.

AND I SAID NO BECAUSE I WAS NOT IN FAVOR OF THEM.

AND I THINK THAT I'LL ACCEPT THIS IN THE FACT THAT IT IS A GUIDELINE, BUT I THINK THERE OUGHT TO BE SOME ADDITIONAL PIECES IN THAT THAT ALLOW US LIKE, OF COURSE, FOR SURE, THE DECLINING OF THE ABATEMENT, THE AMOUNT.

AND JUST WANT TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE GUIDANCE IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IT TO SAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO, OR SOMETHING THAT SAYS WE DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY CONSIDER IT FOR CERTAIN TYPE OF BUSINESSES.

I DON'T KNOW IF I'M REACHING ON THAT, BUT I, I'M KIND OF LIKE MISS JOY AND MISS WARD AS WELL.

I THINK THAT THERE THERE ARE TIMES FOR IT AND THERE ARE TIMES THAT WE GET TO SAY THAT THAT'S NOT NEEDED IN THIS CASE.

SO I THINK WE HAVE FELT THE I FEEL LIKE WE FELT THE STING OF MONSANTO'S PACKING UP AND LEAVING, LEAVING TOWN ON US. SO I WOULD I'D LIKE TO JUST HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE.

WAIT. WHAT AM I TRYING TO SAY?

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AND I KNOW THIS ONE IS PARTICULARLY FOR.

COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL, INDUSTRIAL AND IN THE FIVE YEARS FOR THE COMMERCIAL.

THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SAY.

I JUST LIKE TO SEE THAT IT INDICATES THAT IT CAN BE DECLINING PERCENTAGES OR.

MAYBE THERE'S CERTAIN TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT WE MAY NOT EVEN LOOK AT.

WHAT THOSE ARE, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK IT'S UP FOR A CONVERSATION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. PATTERSON HARRIS MR. MCBRAYER.

YEAH, I WOULD AGAIN ECHO THE COMMENTS THAT ARE MADE.

I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE MORE IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S AN A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN US AND THE BUSINESSES WE BRING IN, RATHER THAN A BRIBE, IF THAT'S THE WORD MR. WARD WANTED TO USE TO GET THEM.

LUBBOCK A GOOD PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO COME, AND WE WANT THE RIGHT BUSINESSES HERE, AND WE WANT THE RIGHT KIND OF GROWTH, BUT WE WANT PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO PARTNER WITH US AND BE HERE LONG TERM.

AND I THINK THE DECLINING USING A DECLINING MODEL IS PROBABLY BETTER TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.

SO I, TOO WOULD SAY THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO TRY TO LOOK FOR.

ONE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE ABATEMENTS THAT WE USE? AND YOU MAY NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION ARE INDUSTRIAL VERSUS THE COMMERCIAL? DO YOU KNOW HAVE..

INDUSTRIAL MUCH MORE OFTEN THAN COMMERCIAL? I HAVE NOT DONE A COMMERCIAL TAX ABATEMENT SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.

THAT'S IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. I'VE NEVER I DON'T THINK I'VE RECALLED ONE.

OKAY. THANK YOU.. UNITED, I BELIEVE, WAS THE MOST RECENT ONE THAT WE UTILIZED THE COMMERCIAL PROGRAM FOR.

AND AGAIN, THAT THAT'S BEFORE MY TIME.

THANK YOU. AND AND I GUESS TO THAT AT THAT POINT MR. MCBRAYER TOO AND MISS PATTERSON HARRIS, MISS JOY.

I THINK TEN SPECIFICALLY IN TEN, IT SAYS THE LUBBOCK CITY COUNCIL SHALL HAVE THE TOTAL DISCRETION.

RIGHT? AS TO WHETHER TAX ABATEMENT IS TO BE GRANTED.

AND IT DOESN'T SAY PARTIAL.

I MEAN, IT'S TOTAL DISCRETION STILL IS MAINTAINED WITHIN THESE GUIDELINES.

SO I THINK BASICALLY THIS IS A VERY, VERY BROAD GUIDELINE THAT GIVES THE COUNCIL TOTAL DISCRETION TO DO ANY OF THOSE THINGS, WHICH THEN INCLUDING SAYING NO.

YEAH, INCLUDING ABSOLUTELY SAYING NO, WHICH NEEDS TO HAPPEN AT TIMES.

OKAY. OH, I'M SORRY, MISS MARTINEZ-GARCIA.

I MISSED YOUR BUTTON DOWN THERE. THAT'S OKAY.

MAYOR, I STILL LIKE YOU A LOT.

SO YOU DIDN'T SEE THAT? I JUST WANT TO THANK MICHAEL BECAUSE, I MEAN, I WAS AROUND FOR SOME OF THAT.

YOU KNOW, I WAS PROBABLY, LIKE, 12 YEARS OLD, BUT I WAS AROUND.

I'M JUST KIDDING. IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OLDER THAN THAT.

18. BUT NEVERTHELESS, IT IT'S A GREAT HISTORY.

AND I THINK THAT MICHAEL MAKES SOME VERY GOOD POINTS.

BUT YOU KNOW, I WHILE I ECHO THAT, I DO APPRECIATE THAT THE COUNCIL STILL HAS A LOT OF INPUT.

LIKE YOU SAID, WE COULD EVEN SAY NO IF WE WANTED TO.

BUT DO WE NOT HAVE NOT EVEN ONE MINORITY BUSINESS THAT HAS HAD AN ABATEMENT OR RECEIVED AN ABATEMENT THAT YOU KNOW OF? I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AND GET BACK TO YOU.

THAT'S NOT A QUESTION THAT WE ASK ON OUR TAX ABATEMENT APPLICATION.

AND SO I WOULD NEED TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL DATA.

BUT I THINK THE GUIDELINES DO SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT? I MEAN, WHEN IT WAS.

NO. OKAY.

THAT'S ALL I NEEDED TO KNOW.

I APPRECIATE THE GREAT MESSAGE.

THANK YOU. MISS JOY.

I THINK.

THE CURRENT LANGUAGE THAT YOU HAVE IN HERE IS USED AGAINST US.

IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN LET'S ASSUME THAT LIDA STARTS TALKING TO A GROUP AND THEY LOOK AT THESE GUIDELINES AND THEY SAY, WELL, WE CAN GET UP TO 10%.

ALL I'M ASKING IS THAT THERE BE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE GUIDELINES THAT GIVE US SOME HELP WHEN WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO SAY NO COMPLETELY, BUT WE WANT TO SAY A LESSER AMOUNT? I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU DO THAT, BUT I DO THINK THAT GETS USED AGAINST US BECAUSE THE BUSINESSES COMING IN SEE THAT TEN AND YOU KNOW, AND THEY AUTOMATICALLY START ASKING FOR THAT.

AND THEN SOMETIMES THERE'S NEGOTIATIONS ABOUT DECLINING AND SO FORTH.

THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY IS I TRIED REALLY HARD TO GET LEPRINO IN MY DISTRICT.

IN NORTHWEST LUBBOCK.

AND WE COULDN'T GET ENOUGH LAND FOR FOR THE PROBLEM THAT THEY HAD, WHICH WAS WHERE DO WE PUT.

THE WATER THAT COMES OUT OF THE THE MAKING OF THE CHEESE.

I TRIED REALLY, REALLY HARD BECAUSE I WANTED IT THERE.

THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

AS IT TURNS OUT, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A BENEFIT TO EVERYBODY BECAUSE THAT WATER THAT'S PROCESSED AT THE PLANT IS GOING TO GO BACK INTO LAKE SIX, WHICH ULTIMATELY

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AND I WILL SAY THIS, THAT A LOT OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING TO LUBBOCK ARE LOOKING FOR WATER.

SO SOME OF OUR LEVERAGE.

IS WATER TO A POINT.

MORE SO, I THINK, THAN ABATEMENTS.

BUT I DON'T SERVE ON LIDA.

I DON'T HAVE A VOICE IN THAT OTHER THAN TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE OF WHAT THEY BRING TO US IN THE WAY OF PROJECTS.

SO WE DO HAVE INVESTMENT AND JOB CRITERIA IN THE POLICY, THAT'S A BLANKET.

SO ONE THING THE COUNCIL MIGHT CONSIDER IS ADDING ADDITIONAL CATEGORIES.

IF, YOU KNOW, FOR A TEN YEAR ABATEMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN INVESTMENT OF THIS DOLLAR AMOUNT AND THEN THAT DECLINES AS THE PROJECT SIZE DECLINES.

SO THAT MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO.

YEAH. MR. PATTERSON HARRIS. YES.

I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, MISS BROWN, BECAUSE.

I THINK THAT THAT'D BE SOME GOOD INFORMATION TO HAVE AND DESIGNATE THE DIFFERENT LEVELS, IN ADDITION TO ADDING THAT EITHER DECLINING OR 100% OR WHATEVER. SOME OF THE OPTIONS AND I THINK BECAUSE JUST LOOKING AT THIS, WE COULD KIND OF BE HELD TO RIGHT TO WHAT IT SAYS AND JUST AND SOME INDUSTRIALIZED BUSINESSES COMING AND EXPECTING SOMETHING THAT REALLY ENDS UP US GIVING THEM THE WHOLE KIT AND CABOODLE.

SO I THINK IF WE HAVE THOSE THINGS BEFORE US WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE GUIDELINES AND I SAY ME.

CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT THINGS BEING CONSIDERED, THAT THEY LOOK AT ALL THE OPTIONS THAT THEY CAN DO.

I THINK GROUPING SOME OF THOSE ITEMS, LIKE YOU STATED CERTAIN PERCENTAGE, AS LONG AS YOU HAVE YOU BRING THIS NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES AND THAT'S THIS AMOUNT OF INVESTMENT.

I THINK THAT THAT WOULD WORK.

WELL AND THEN STILL GIVE THE COUNCIL THE ABILITY TO ADJUST IT IF THEY SO CHOOSE.

BUT IF YOU HAVE GROUPS OF THINGS TOGETHER THAT MIGHT WORK WELL AND WORK FIND ITSELF BEING APPROVED A LOT MORE OFTEN BY THE COUNCIL AND NOT GIVING AWAY SO MUCH.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS PATTERSON HARRIS.

I KNOW MAYBE I'M GOING TO RESTATE WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER.

I THINK I'M IN LINE WITH MISS PATTERSON HARRIS.

I'M WILLING TO ACCEPT THESE BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED THESE GUIDELINES IN PLACE NOW.

BUT I DO THINK THAT IT.

MAYBE IT'S HAVE SOME FURTHER PRESENTATION TO COUNCILS IN THE FUTURE OR THE NEXT COUNCIL.

AS FAR AS WHAT SOME POSSIBLE GUIDELINES.

IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? YES, SIR. AND IN IT.

SO I WOULD THAT WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION TO COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION ON IT RATHER THAN JUST ACCEPTING.

ACCEPTING WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE FOR US TO GET IT? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK.

IS THERE A TIMING ON THIS? WE HAVE TWO WEEKS.

SO YEAH, IF I COULD MAYBE SPEAK TO A COUPLE OF THE POINTS.

MR. ATKINSON, I'LL DO NUMBER TWO FIRST.

COUNCIL MEMBER PATTERSON HARRIS BROUGHT IT BACK UP.

COUNCIL. NOTE THAT IF THESE ARE ADOPTED TODAY.

FOR THE TWO YEAR LIFE OF THIS SET OF GUIDELINES.

IT REQUIRES A THREE QUARTER VOTE TO AMEND.

SO IF WE'RE LOOKING TO POSSIBLY ADD LANGUAGE, I MIGHT SUGGEST THAT YOU DO DELAY THIS ACTION ITEM UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH WE CAN ACCOMMODATE.

THE OTHER POINT AND CERTAINLY FOLKS THAT ARE ASKING ARE GOING TO PUSH FOR EVERYTHING THAT'S ON THE TABLE.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT TABLE BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IS COMING OR NOT.

BUT YOU MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE COMFORT.

YOU'VE GOT LANGUAGE ALREADY IN HERE.

THAT SAYS SPECIFICALLY THE ADOPTION OF THE GUIDELINE AND THE CRITERIA BY THE LUBBOCK CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT DOES NOT LIMIT THE DISCRETION OF THE COUNCIL TO DECIDE WHETHER TO ENTER INTO A SPECIFIC TAX ABATEMENT AGREEMENT.

IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT I'VE HIT THE BUTTON AND LOST THE PAGE, BUT THE SECOND ONE THAT I WAS GOING TO READ TO YOU SAYS THERE IS NO CREATION OF ANY RIGHT.

UNDER THESE GUIDELINES OR AGREEMENTS BY AN APPLICANT.

SO I THINK MAYBE ON THAT SIDE WE'RE COVERED.

IT'S MORE TRYING TO WORDSMITH A LITTLE BIT ON OPTIONS.

THE OPTIONS ARE INCLUDED.

THEY'RE NOT WEIGHTED.

MISS JOY.

I AGREE ABOUT WHATEVER.

WHATEVER CHANGES WE'RE GOING TO MAKE, IF ANY, LET'S GET IT DONE IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.

BUT I THINK THE MESSAGE ALSO SHOULD GO TO THE LUBBOCK ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ALLIANCE THAT BECAUSE IT SAYS WHAT IT SAYS DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE

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THAT'S WHAT I MEAN WHEN I SAY THEY CAN USE THAT AGAINST YOU, JUST LIKE.

IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN LIMIT THEM, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PRESSURE TO BEAR.

AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ALSO COMMUNICATED TO THE LIDA.

I THINK THESE ARE GUIDELINES, AND I PERSONALLY PREFER VERY, VERY BROAD GUIDELINES TO GIVE COUNCIL DISCRETION.

THIS GIVES COUNCIL A TON OF DISCRETION.

SO I THINK APPROVING THIS AND MOVING FORWARD IS WHAT MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE.

I'M HEARING MRS. PATTERSON HARRIS SAY SHE WOULD LIKE TO PUT THIS OFF AS OR DO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE? SO MOVE. SECOND BY MISS.

YEAH. TAP.

TAP IN THERE, MITCH.

THERE WE GO. THANK YOU.

AM I IN? YES.

I WOULD RECOMMEND HAVING THE MOTION STATE SPECIFICALLY A POSTPONEMENT UNTIL THE DATE CERTAIN.

NEXT REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING.

IF YOU THINK SO. 23RD.

OKAY, MR. MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ON ITEMS 7.2, 7.3 BE POSTPONED UNTIL OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING BEING APRIL THE 23RD OF 2024.

ALL RIGHT. I THINK MR. MCBRAYER SECONDED THAT THE FIRST TIME.

ALL RIGHT. SO IF WE'VE GOT A MOTION IN A SECOND MITCH, WOULD THAT REQUIRE A REPOSTING OF A PUBLIC HEARING OR WOULD THAT JUST MOVE STRAIGHT TO A VOTE? SIR, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN.

YOU WOULD JUST TAKE UP THE RESOLUTION AS THAT ITEM HAD BEEN POSTPONED.

HOWEVER, LET ME ALSO ADD I THINK COURTNEY CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

I THINK WE JUST HAD THE FIRST ITEM UP WITH A MOTION AND A SECOND, BUT I THINK THIS MOTION HAD BOTH ITEMS AND SO MAYBE I NEED TO SEPARATE THEM. WELL, THEY'RE SEPARATED RIGHT NOW.

WELL, I CAN CHANGE THE INITIAL MOTION.

I CAN PULL THEM TOGETHER.

OKAY, GREAT.

SO I GUESS AT THIS TIME WE HAD A MOTION TO APPROVE 7.2.

I WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE 7.3.

THANK YOU, MR. MASSENGALE. IS THERE A SECOND? THANK YOU, DOCTOR WILSON.

ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE 7.2 AND 7.3 IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL.

MISS PATTERSON HARRIS.

I DO HAVE A MOTION, MR. MAYOR. I MOVE THAT WE TAKE ITEM 7.2, 7.3 AND MOVE THEM.

POSTPONE THEM UNTIL THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING OF 20.

I MEAN, APRIL 23RD, 2024, AND THAT THE SUGGESTED RECOMMENDATIONS BE CONSIDERED AND BROUGHT FORTH TO THE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME. ALL RIGHT.

MR. MCBRAYER HAS A SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. SO AGAIN, TO THE QUESTION FOR DISCUSSION, THIS WOULD NOT REQUIRE ANOTHER POSTING OF A PUBLIC HEARING.

WOULD THIS BE A PRESENTATION OF A POSSIBLE AMENDMENT TO THE GUIDELINES AND THEN A VOTE ON THOSE GUIDELINES? MITCH. THAT'S THE WAY I WOULD ENVISION IT IS PRESENT THEM AGAIN.

WITH AMENDMENTS ATTACHED OR PRESENTED TO THEM.

OKAY, SO COUNCIL HAD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT FURTHER AMENDMENTS, EITHER MORE RESTRICTIVE OR LESS WHATEVER THEY PROPOSE.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO POSTPONE BY MISS PATTERSON HARRIS.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL OF THE MOTION BY MISS PATTERSON.

PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE.

ALL AGAINST.

NAY. MOTION CARRIES 4 TO 3.

ALL RIGHT. WE WILL POSTPONE 7.2 AND 7.3 UNTIL APRIL 23RD.

COUNCIL HAVE OPTIONS AT THAT TIME TO PROVIDE POSSIBLE AMENDMENTS TO THAT WHICH WE CAN BRING UP ON APRIL 23RD.

ALL RIGHT. NOW WE ARE MOVING TO 7.4 AND 7.5, I THINK.

[4. Resolution - Planning: Consider a resolution approving a final report from the Planning and Zoning Commission, adopting a Neighborhood Plan for the Jackson-Mahon Neighborhood in District 1.]

[5. Resolution - Planning: Consider a resolution approving a final report from the Planning and Zoning Commission, adopting a Neighborhood Plan for the Dunbar-Manhattan Heights Neighborhood in District 2.]

ALL RIGHT, WILSON, YOU'RE UP.

TAKE IT AWAY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME.

I'M VERY EXCITED TO BE BEFORE YOU TODAY TO PRESENT OUR FIRST TWO NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS.

OH. WE HAVE A LONG PLANNING DOCUMENT, AND I GOT TO GET TO THE ACTUAL START OF MY PORTION.

SO IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT DID LAY OUT TO BEGIN A NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING PROGRAM AND TO QUOTE, TO AUTHORIZE A SERIES OF CITY INITIATED MASTER PLANS FOR EASTERN AND NORTHERN LUBBOCK NEIGHBORHOODS.

THESE PLANS SHOULD INCLUDE INDIVIDUAL VISION AND ACTION PLANS DEVELOPED BY OR IN PARTICIPATION WITH EACH NEIGHBORHOOD.

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ON OCTOBER 12TH, 2021, I PRESENTED IN FRONT OF COUNCIL AND A SUBCOMMITTEE WAS CREATED WITH MAYOR PRO TEM PATTERSON HARRIS AND FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS JUAN CHADIS AND JEFF GRIFFITH.

THE GOAL OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE WAS TO PICK THE FIRST NEIGHBORHOODS AND HOW WE WERE GOING TO DO THAT.

FOR THIS TO BE MORE DATA DRIVEN, THE SUBCOMMITTEE GOT HAD ME LOOK AT SEVERAL KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS AND UPON GATHERING THIS DATA, WE WERE ABLE TO PICK OUR FIRST FOUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

THESE KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS THAT WE USED WAS THE HOMEOWNERSHIP RATE.

THE POVERTY RATE.

THE NUMBER OF BUILDING PERMITS WITHIN THAT PAST YEAR.

MEDIAN HOME VALUE.

THE UNSAFE STRUCTURES PER 100 STRUCTURES AND THE NUMBER OF NONVIOLENT CRIMES PER 1000 RESIDENTS.

THAT'S JUST TO NORMALIZE THOSE NUMBERS.

AND THEN THE NUMBER OF HEALTH CARE FACILITIES IN THE AREA WITHIN A THREE MILE RADIUS.

I'LL GET BACK TO THAT IN JUST A MOMENT.

USING THESE CRITERIA.

AND I WANT TO REITERATE, AS I DID THAT LAST COUNCIL MEMBER MEETING, THAT THERE IS NO BAD NEIGHBORHOOD IN LUBBOCK.

THE REASON WE CHOSE THESE NEIGHBORHOODS WAS STRICTLY BY THESE CRITERIA.

SO THE FIRST FOUR NEIGHBORHOODS IN ORDER THE DUNBAR, MANHATTAN HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD IN EAST LUBBOCK, THE JACKSON AND MAHAN NEIGHBORHOODS COMBINED.

PARKWAY, CHERRY POINT, AND ARNETT BENSON.

AT THE SAME TIME, THE OUR PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECEIVED A GRANT FOR COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORHOOD HEALTH.

THEY GAVE US $250,000 OF THAT.

SO WE COULD HIRE CONSULTANTS TO KIND OF KICK START AND BE ABLE TO DO TWO PLANS AT ONCE.

AFTER THE BIDDING PROCESS, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HIRED RAYO PLANNING IN SEPTEMBER 2022.

SO I'M GOING TO KIND OF GO OVER VERY, VERY QUICKLY JUST TO REMIND YOU WHAT THE BOUNDARIES OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE.

THE DUNBAR, MANHATTAN HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD IS.

JUST SOUTH OF 19TH STREET.

EAST 19TH STREET.

LOOP 289.

AND SOUTHEAST DRIVE, KIND OF CREATING A TRIANGLE.

THE JACKSON AND MASON NEIGHBORHOODS.

ERSKINE STREET WOULD BE THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY AVENUE Q AND UNIVERSITY EAST AND WEST, AND THE MARSHA SHARP FREEWAY TO THE SOUTH.

THE CLOVIS HIGHWAY DIVIDES THESE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS, WITH JACKSON BEING ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION AND MAHON BEING IN THE NORTH.

THESE ARE BOTH SMALL NEIGHBORHOODS WITH VERY SIMILAR DEMOGRAPHICS AND BEING RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.

WE FELT THAT IT WAS JUST APPROPRIATE TO WORK WITH THESE NEIGHBORHOODS TOGETHER.

THIS KIND OF LAYS OUT THE DIFFERENT PHASES THROUGHOUT OUR PLANNING PROCESS.

EDUCATING THE PUBLIC.

LOOKING AT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.

CREATING THE VISION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD SENDING A SURVEY TO ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

PRESENTING OUR FINDINGS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND THEN IN EACH NEIGHBORHOOD AT A PUBLIC SPACE, WE HAD A VERY LARGE PARTY.

FOR THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

THAT REALLY CAME DOWN TO THREE THEMES.

THAT CAME OUT OF ALL THESE PUBLIC MEETINGS.

NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY AND BEAUTIFICATION.

TRANSPORTATION. INFRASTRUCTURE AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.

AND COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL DEVELOPMENT.

UNDERNEATH EACH IS A SERIES OF GOALS, UNDERNEATH THE GOALS A SERIES OF STRATEGIES.

UNDERNEATH THOSE WITHIN THE PLAN, A SERIES OF SUB STRATEGIES.

SO I'M REALLY JUST GOING TO HIT THE GOALS WITH YOU HERE.

I KNOW YOU HAVE THE PLANS BEFORE YOU.

THE FIRST GOAL UNDER NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY AND BEAUTIFICATION TO INCREASE AND MAINTAIN AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS.

AND THEN TO ENHANCE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF LIFE.

UNDER TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.

THE. THE GOAL IS ENHANCED MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS.

AND OTHER COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL DEVELOPMENT TO PROMOTE AND ENHANCE COMMERCIAL OPPORTUNITIES.

PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL ON BOTH PLANS 8 TO 0.

AND IF ADOPTED, WE WILL BEGIN IMPLEMENTATION ON IMPLEMENTATION ON THESE PLANS IMMEDIATELY USING FUNDS FROM OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT FUND.

RIGHT NOW, THAT FUND IS SITTING AT JUST OVER $477,000.

THANK YOU SO MUCH AND I AM HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

LISTEN, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR.

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WITH THEIR ASSESSMENTS OF SOME OF THESE.

AND I KNOW THAT A LOT OF THE BIKE LANES ARE IN THE PLANS.

I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE THAT ARE.

ACTUALLY BIKE RIDERS AND THOSE THAT USE STRATA OR OTHER DEVICES TO PLOT OUT THEIR BIKE LANES.

AND I DON'T SEE MANY PEOPLE USING THOSE BIKE LANES.

AND IF THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE NOT REALLY IN FAVOR OF THAT, WHAT IS THAT A SOLUTION MOVING FORWARD? THAT IS NOT SOMETHING TO BE IMPLEMENTED OR MAYBE MORE.

AND WE'RE JUST ACCEPTING THIS PLAN TODAY.

BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THINGS CAN'T CHANGE.

CORRECT. EXACTLY.

AND I TO THAT POINT.

I. WHEN I PRESENTED TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN DEPTH ON THESE, I WAS IN A POSITION WHERE I COULD MAKE NO LONGER.

I COULD NO LONGER MAKE CHANGES TO THESE PLANS.

SO I INVITED THEM TO COME HERE AND TELL YOU THAT THEY PASSED THIS INFORMATION ALONG TO ME.

THEY SAID, WE DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO WORK, AND I PASSED IT ON TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.

OUR THOUGHT PROCESS FOR THAT.

REALLY? THEIR CONNECTED ISSUES, BUT TWO SEPARATE ISSUES, ONE BEING THE BRIDGE THAT LEADS OVER 34TH STREET AND THE RAILROAD, THE OTHER BEING MLK ITSELF.

MLK ITSELF, REALLY, IT'S THE LACK OF CONNECTION FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO ANYWHERE. THERE IS NO SIDEWALK NETWORK THAT COMPLETES THAT ACTUALLY CONNECTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD GOING TO THE PARK AND BEYOND.

THERE IS ABOUT A 8 TO 10 FOOT GAP IN SIDEWALK ON A HILL, SO THERE IS NO WAY EXCEPT FOR WALKING IN THE ROAD.

FOR. ANY PEDESTRIAN, ANY BIKER, ANYTHING EXCEPT TO GET ON A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE.

THE BRIDGE.

THAT WAS KIND OF AN INTERESTING ISSUE OF.

WE KNOW THAT BRIDGE IS DANGEROUS AND THAT THERE IS NO WAY FOR PEOPLE TO GET ACROSS THAT BRIDGE.

THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS, BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE, AND IT'S A VERY STEEP BRIDGE.

FOR US TO ADD ANY OF THIS, WE WOULD HAVE TO BASICALLY RECONSTRUCT THE BRIDGE OR ADD A WHOLE NEW AREA.

TO MEET ADA REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE IT'S TOO STEEP.

SO THERE'S NO WAY TO ADD SIDEWALKS.

IN A MEETING WITH PUBLIC WORKS ENGINEERING, WE WERE TRYING TO PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER.

WHAT CAN WE DO HERE? THE BEST SOLUTION WE COULD COME UP WITH AND IT'S SOMETHING THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOW INFORMED US, INFORMED ME A COUPLE WEEKS AGO THEY DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO WORK.

SO IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN TAKE OUT IS TO ADD BIKE LANES, REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE ROAD, LOWER THE SPEED LIMIT ON ON THE ROAD SO THE TRUCKS AREN'T JUST ABSOLUTELY FLYING. AND TO ADD A SAFE SPACE ON EITHER SIDE.

NATURAL BUFFERED BIKE LANE.

IF THIS IS SOMETHING COUNCIL FEELS THAT WE SHOULD TAKE OUT, ABSOLUTELY TAKE OUT.

I AM NOT TIED TO ANY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN HERE.

THAT'S KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND FOR YOU, AND I DO I ABSOLUTELY DO APPRECIATE YOU COMING TO THE MEETING, SHARING THIS WITH COUNCIL.

WELL. AND I THINK AGAIN, TO ME THESE ARE FLUID AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS CONTINUED INPUT.

AND I KNOW THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL DO.

WILSON. BUT CONTINUED INPUT ON THESE.

AND SO IF IT'S NOT WORKING, IF IT'S NOT WORKABLE, THEN IT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.

I KIND OF LOOK AT THIS ALMOST LIKE THE AFOREMENTIONED GUIDELINES AND CRITERIA FOR TAX ABATEMENT.

IT'S VERY BROAD, BUT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY IN FUTURE COUNCILS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD DISCUSSION AND INPUT HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE IT.

AND I JUST WANT US TO PAY ATTENTION TO THOSE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S REMOVING REMOVING LANES OR BEING MORE RESTRICTIVE OR THINGS THAT WOULD COST THE TAXPAYER ACTUAL MONEY TO CHANGE WHEN IT'S REALLY NOT NECESSARY.

SO I APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK ON THESE.

I'M IN FAVOR OF APPROVING OF BOTH THESE PLANS.

I JUST THINK WE NEED TO KEEP IT FLUID, AND I THINK WE NEED TO LISTEN WHEN THEY WHEN THEY SPEAK.

MRS. PATTERSON HARRIS.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I HAVE A FEW THINGS, AND I'LL IF YOU'LL STAY THERE, WILSON AND I MAY CALL FOR MISS ANDERSON AND MISS JOHNSON.

I'M NOT SURE WHO ELSE MAY BE BACK THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M HITTING THE RIGHT TARGET WITH REGARD TO THE MLK BRIDGE THAT FINDS ITS WAY OVER 34TH STREET, AND IT HAS THE TWO THE TWO LANES ON EACH DIRECTION.

SO FOR A TOTAL OF FOUR LANES.

AND I GUESS A FEW YEARS BEFORE YOUR COMING ON BOARD, THERE WAS A WALK AND BIKE PROPOSAL THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE MEMBERS OF THE MPO.

AND ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT THEY HAD WAS ALSO THE FACT THAT THERE WAS NOT ANY WAY FOR PEDESTRIANS TO MAKE THEIR WAY SAFELY OVER THAT ROADWAY.

SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY PRESENTED HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH REDUCING THE LANES.

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SO IT IS ALWAYS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE PAST, I'LL SAY AT LEAST SIX YEARS THAT I RECALL THERE'S BEEN AN ASK TRYING TO ONE OF THE ISSUES WAS TRYING TO FIND FUNDING THAT WOULD HELP DO THAT BECAUSE IT WOULD REQUIRE A GREAT, A GREAT AMOUNT OF WORK AND A GREAT AMOUNT OF FUNDING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

I BELIEVE YOU STATED THAT THERE WAS A CONCERN THAT THERE'S NO DIRECT PATH FOR THE CITIZENS TO GET FROM THE TOP OF THE HILL DOWN TO THE TO THE LAKE AREA.

IS THAT WHAT? IS THAT WHAT I HEAR? YES, MA'AM. THERE IS NO.

THERE IS TWO SEPARATE SIDEWALKS THAT DO NOT QUITE MEET.

OKAY. HELP ME.

HELP ME WITH THAT LOCATION.

THAT WOULD BE AS YOU GO ON MLK, UP THE HILL ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE WITH THAT RETAINING WALL.

THE SIDEWALK STOPS WITH THE RETAINING WALL, AND THE OTHER SIDEWALK CONTINUES ON THE TOP OF THE HILL, AND THERE IS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO POINTS.

I THOUGHT THERE WAS A THERE IS A SIDEWALK WHERE THE MURAL IS ON THAT RETAINING WALL.

YES, MA'AM. BUT I DID GO BY TO DOUBLE CHECK THIS BECAUSE I REMEMBER HEARING THIS.

THAT SIDEWALK DOES STOP AND DOES NOT MEET THE REST OF THE SIDEWALK.

OKAY. HELP ME AGAIN WITH THAT.

OKAY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE LAKE AREA, CORRECT.

ALONG MLK.

YES, MA'AM. OKAY.

THERE IS A SIDEWALK THAT STARTS AT THE ROADWAY ALONG LAKE SIX OR DOUBLE HISTORICAL LAKE THAT GOES UP TO THE SOUTH.

YES, MA'AM. AND IT STOPS.

WHAT? IS THERE A POLE OR SOMETHING AS TO WHERE IT STOPS? IT CONTINUES ON BEHIND THAT FENCE AT THE TOP OF THE HILL.

BUT WHERE THAT RETAINING WALL IS, IT CONTINUES STRAIGHT AND GOES QUITE A WAYS UNTIL IT ACTUALLY BUDS.

FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, I HAVE NOT WALKED ON THAT.

CONTINUE DOWN THAT SIDEWALK, BUT MEETS INTO WHERE THE WALL OKAY.

MEETS UP. BECAUSE THAT WAS ALSO ONE OF MY CONCERNS PREVIOUSLY.

AND THAT'S WHY THERE IS A SIDEWALK FROM THE BASE OF THE THE LAKE TO UP TO THE EAST PATROL DIVISION STATION.

AND THERE'S ALSO TO ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THERE'S A ROAD SIDEWALK THAT GOES FROM THERE AND IT MEETS UP TO THE BEGINNING PORTION OF THE THE RETAINING WALL THAT YOU'RE CALLING HAS THE, THE MURAL.

SO THERE'S A WALKING SPACE IN FRONT OF THAT MURAL, AND IT STOPS AT SOME POINT BEFORE REACHING EAST 24TH STREET.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES, MA'AM. OKAY OKAY, OKAY.

AND I APOLOGIZE IF I WILL SEND IT TO THE GAPS AT THE TOP OF THE HILL.

YES, AT THE TOP. GAPS AT THE TOP OF THE HILL.

RIGHT? RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. WE GOT YOU.

YEAH, TO THE SOUTH OF THE RETAINER WALL.

CORRECT. OKAY.

SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S NOTHING TO.

CONNECT THOSE AT THE MOMENT.

OKAY. OKAY.

THANK YOU. BECAUSE THOSE WERE TWO THINGS THAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT MYSELF BECAUSE THERE WERE THERE WAS A LOT OF GRASS OR DIRT AND GRASS THAT WERE BEING UTILIZED TO GET TO THE TOPS OF THE HILLS OR LIKE YOU STATED IN THE, IN THE STREET.

AND THAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE I THINK IT WAS PUBLIC WORKS HELPED US TO OBTAIN THE FUNDS THROUGH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TO CREATE THOSE SIDEWALKS. SO I GUESS IF IF I MISSED THAT CONNECTION THERE, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE MAYBE LOOK TO LOOK TO ADDRESS THAT. BUT CAN I SEE MISS? MISS ANDERSON, MISS JOHNSON.

DID YOU COME FOR REAL? QUICK, PLEASE.

YES, MA'AM, BECAUSE I ALSO RECEIVED CONTACT FROM MISS GLORIA DANFORTH.

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BECAUSE TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT, YOU HAVE THINGS LIKE FEDEX AND ALL OF THAT ON THAT SIDE.

BUT PLEASE KNOW THAT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN PUSHED AROUND.

THE DEAL HAS JUST BEEN TO FIND MONEY, BUT, SINCE WE LOOK, WE LOOK TO CONTINUE TO ADD MONEY IN A BUCKET THAT WILSON CONTINUES TO HAVE.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

AND IF WE MISS THAT CONNECTION OF THAT SIDEWALK, THAT'S OUR AREA.

WE WILL MISS THAT CONNECTION BECAUSE WE WILL DEFINITELY TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SOME TYPE OF SIDEWALK WAS THERE, NUMBER ONE, BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO ENSURE THAT WHEN CITIZENS WANTED TO MAKE THEIR WAY TO THE EAST PATROL DIVISION STATION, THEY COULD DO IT ON A SIDEWALK VERSUS IN THE GRASS.

SO IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU GOT? CAN I HAVE THEM? IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE, JUST IN CASE WE'VE MISSED IT, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD THINK WOULD PROBABLY BE TO HELP US, I KNOW THAT IT'S FLUID MR. MAYOR, BUT THAT WE MAYBE MAKE SOME TYPE OF STATEMENTS, MAKE NOTE OF SOME STATEMENTS ABOUT MAYBE CONTINUING TO LOOK AT FUNDING, CONTINUE TO LOOK AT HAVING ENGINEERING LOOK AT IT TO SEE THE BEST WAY TO ADDRESS THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY AND AND IN ADDITION TO THAT SMALL PIECE OF THE SIDEWALK.

IS THERE ANYTHING? YOU GUYS? WELL, LET'S LET ME LET ME NARROW THAT DOWN SO WE DON'T OPEN UP.

SO THE QUESTION WOULD BE, OR IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE BESIDES WHAT THEY BROUGHT UP IN THE IN THEIR REMARKS EARLIER? IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE OR THEY HAVE NOT NOTIFIED WILSON THAT THEY WOULD LIKE ADDED OR SUBTRACTED BESIDES THE AFOREMENTIONED? YEAH, YEAH. AND SO IN LIGHT OF THE NEW INFORMATION THAT YOU JUST RECEIVED.

NO. I'VE ALWAYS BEEN CONSIDERED AS TO BE CONSIDERED ABOUT THE TRAINS.

I KNOW THERE'S NOT MUCH YOU CAN DO WITH IT, RIGHT.

BUT TO HAVE THAT NOISE ALL NIGHT LONG, IT DISTURBS YOUR YOUR SLEEP.

AND THEN WHEN PACO IS GOING AND THE TRAINS ARE GOING, YOU CAN BARELY GET A GOOD NIGHT'S REST.

ANYTHING ELSE YOU CAN THINK OF, MISS PATTERSON HARRIS AND WHICH SET OF TRAINS IS IT? THE TRAINS BEHIND THE CEMETERY.

BEHIND THE CEMETERY.

GOTCHA. OKAY. I'M NOT SURE.

OH, THOSE ARE THOSE PICTURES AS WELL.

OKAY, WE'LL SIT DOWN AND CHAT WITH PACO.

OKAY. I'M NOT REALLY, I'M NOT TRYING TO PROLONG ANYTHING, BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT BRIDGE GOING OVER THE BRIDGE AND EVERYTHING.

I'M NOT REALLY SURE IF THEY COULD PUT.

KIND OF LIKE A TALLER RAIL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR THE PEDESTRIANS, WHEN, IF THEY CAN MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM TO WALK ACROSS THE BIKERS TO WALK ACROSS AND WHOEVER JUST PUT A RAIL UP THERE, YOU KNOW, YEARS AGO, WE HAD A PERSON TO.

YEAH, FALL OFF OF THE BRIDGE BECAUSE THERE WAS NO PROTECTION.

YEAH. THAT WOULD BE GOOD IF NOT TAKING ANY LANES AWAY.

YEAH. IF THERE'S A WAY THAT MAYBE THEY COULD PUT A TALLER WALL OR SOMETHING FOR PROTECTION SO THAT PEOPLE COULD DO A CROSS WALK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OVER THE BRIDGE FOR ALL SAFETY.

YES, MA'AM. I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.

I DON'T REALLY KNOW.

I'M NOT A REALLY GOOD PLANNER, BUT MAYBE THERE IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE, YOU KNOW, AND YOU GET THINKERS UP THERE.

MS. PATTERSON HARRIS. I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT.

ON YESTERDAY WHEN I WENT BY THE LIBRARY THERE WERE SOME FOLKS WHO GREW UP IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY ASKED WAS IF WE REMEMBERED WHEN THEY FIRST PUT THE WALKWAY, THEY HAD THE BRIDGE.

THEY PUT THE BRIDGE WITH THE WALKWAY OVER EAST 24TH THAT GOES INTO EAST 26TH STREET.

AND I COULDN'T REMEMBER WHEN THEY PUT THAT BRIDGE THERE.

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SO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER WE CAN FIND TO DO, AND I'M HOPING THAT WE, WE ARE ABLE TO DO SO AND THAT IT WILL BE A SAFE PLACE FOR CITIZENS TO FIND THEIR WAY FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER.

BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN MISS, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF HER NAME.

HER CAR STOPPED AND ON THAT BRIDGE, AND SHE GOT HIT AND SHE GOT HIT.

YES, MISS JOHNSON. YEAH, YEAH.

THANK YOU. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. MAYOR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. LADIES. MISS MARTINEZ.

GARCIA. THANK YOU, WILSON, FOR YOUR HARD WORK.

I JUST WANT TO SAY, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T HAVE ANY CONSTITUENTS HERE, WE'VE BEEN MEETING, WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS.

AND I THINK FOR THE MOST PART, WE ARE GOOD.

YOU KNOW, I THINK BEING VOCAL AT THOSE, AT THOSE OPPORTUNITIES, THOSE MEETINGS AND COMMENT TIMES I THINK HAS MADE A DIFFERENCE.

THE ONLY THING THAT I WANT TO EMPHASIZE IS THAT WE ARE CONSISTENT AND EQUITABLE IN THE DISTRIBUTION OF DOLLARS. I DON'T WANT ONE DISTRICT TO GET MORE THAN THE OTHER.

DISTRICT ONE CANNOT CONTINUE TO BE IGNORED.

AND OBVIOUSLY THIS IS WHY WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS.

I DO WANT TO THANK YOU.

I WANT TO THANK PUBLIC WORKS BECAUSE LET ME TELL YOU THAT THAT DEPARTMENT WOULD FRANKLIN AND HIS FOLKS HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL.

SO WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO REMEDY SOME ISSUES, AS YOU WELL KNOW AND, YOU KNOW, TO ADDRESS AND GET TO WHERE WE ARE.

SO I KNOW SOMEBODY SAID THAT WE HAVE BEEN IGNORING FOLKS.

WE'VE PROVEN THAT WE'RE NOT IGNORING.

I HEAR WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, AND THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THESE SESSIONS WERE TO LET PEOPLE VOCALIZE WHAT THEY NEED.

AND WE WILL CONTINUE, I THINK, TO GIVE THAT FULL CONSIDERATION, JUST LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE GIVING FOLKS AN OPPORTUNITY.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE DO NEED TO MOVE ON WITH THIS PROJECT.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, MISS MARTINEZ GARCIA.

MISS JOY WILSON, WHAT YEAR WAS THAT BRIDGE BUILT? I WOULD HAVE TO GET THAT THAT YEAR FOR YOU.

I DO NOT KNOW. WELL, I HAVE GONE OVER THAT BRIDGE.

I'VE DRIVEN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND I HAVE A HARD TIME TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE FUNCTION OF THAT BRIDGE IS.

THAT BRIDGE GOES OVER A RAILROAD TRACKS.

IS IT ACTIVE? YES. VERY ACTIVE.

VERY, VERY ACTIVE. WELL, IT'S VERY STEEP, FOR ONE THING, WHEN YOU'RE GOING OVER.

SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO THINK IF THERE WAS ANY WAY TO GET AROUND.

HAVING TO HAVE THAT BRIDGE.

IT SEPARATES THINGS.

I DON'T LIKE THAT.

NOW WE'VE GOT ENOUGH SEPARATION AND IT SEPARATES THINGS.

SO THINK ABOUT IT, OKAY? ALL RIGHT, WILSON, LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE OFF THE HOOK.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL. DID WE DO A MOTION ON THAT, MITCH? ALL RIGHT, WE WANT TO DO A MOTION ON SEVEN FOUR AND SEVEN FIVE.

IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE? SEVEN FOUR AND SEVEN FIVE? THANK YOU, MISS MARTINEZ GARCIA.

IS THERE A SECOND? THANK YOU, DOCTOR WILSON.

ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL OF 7.4 AND 7.5, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION ON SEVEN FOUR AND SEVEN FIVE CARRIES SEVEN ZERO.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL NOW MOVE TO 7.6.

COUNCIL, IF YOU RECALL FROM LAST WEEK, THE ORDINANCE.

[6. Ordinance 2nd Reading - City Council: Consider Ordinance No. 2024-O0053, amending the City of Lubbock Code of Ordinances, Chapter 22, "UTILITIES", Article 22.04 "Wastewater System" of the Code of Ordinances of the City of Lubbock, Texas, in order to delineate sewer line repair and maintenance responsibilities.]

I GUESS I'LL CALL REVERTER FOR BETTER LACK OF A BETTER WORD.

SO AT THIS TIME I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO ASK MISS JOY TO READ THE AMENDMENT TO THE APPROVED ORDINANCE FROM LAST WEEK THAT CARRIED.

AND THEN WE TAKE UP SEVEN SIX, AS AMENDED, AS OPPOSED TO TAKING A VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT BECAUSE THIS IS REQUIRED LANGUAGE.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? ALL RIGHT, MISS JOY. 7.6 BEFORE US.

I MOVED TO AMEND SECTION 22.4.009E TO ADD SUBSECTION FOUR THAT SHALL STATE THE FOLLOWING.

SUBSECTION FOUR UNDERLINED SEWER LATERAL SERVICE AND RIGHT OF WAY, COLON.

THE REQUEST FOR A REPAIR OF A LATERAL SERVICE LINE IN THE CITY'S RIGHT OF WAY OR ALLEY SHALL BE MADE DIRECTLY TO THE WATER UTILITY DEPARTMENT BY A LICENSED PLUMBER.

THE PLUMBER MUST MARK THE LOCATION OF THE SEWER CONNECTION AND OR LATERAL SERVICE LINE WITH PAINT OR PIN FLAGS.

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ALL RIGHT. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, IS WHAT WITH THAT LANGUAGE ADDED TO AS AMENDED AND READ BY MISS JOY.

THAT TAKES IT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE.

PRIOR TO OCTOBER OF 23.

SO AT THIS TIME, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE 7.6, AS AMENDED.

THANK YOU, MR. MCBRAYER.

THANK YOU, MR. MCBRAYER.

ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON 7.6, AS AMENDED? ALL RIGHT, ALL IN FAVOR? MISS JOY. WELL, I KNOW THIS IS SECOND.

TECHNICALLY IT'S A SECOND READING, BUT I WANTED TO REMIND EVERYONE BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, WHEN WE WERE HERE BEFORE I HAD NOT GONE BACK AND LOOKED AT THIS ORDINANCE IN ITS ORIGINATION.

THE OLD CODE SECTIONS FOR SEWER REPAIR GO BACK TO 1912.

AND THE CITY MAINTAINED THE REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE OF ALL OF THE SEWER COMPONENTS IN THE ALLEY THROUGH THE 1983 CODE.

THEN IN 1988.

AND TO 2002, THE PROVISION STATING IT WAS ONLY THE CITY WHO COULD REPAIR THOSE LINES WERE DROPPED FROM THE CODE.

IN 2002, THAT PROVISION WAS INSERTED BACK IN, AND THE CITY HAS BEEN THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY FOR LINES IN THE ALLEY UP TO THE HOMEOWNERS PROPERTY LINE. AND.

MAYOR. THE MAYOR AT THE TIME IN 2002 WAS MARK MCDOUGALL.

I HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO CALL HIM AND ASK HIM WHAT THEY WERE DOING.

AND WHEN YOU WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE 83 CODE AND 88, IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT.

IT DROPPED THAT PROVISION.

AND WHETHER THAT WAS INTENTIONAL OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT THE REAL ISSUE DIDN'T ARISE UNTIL WHAT COUNCIL DID WHEN WE APPROVED IN OCTOBER OF 23 MOVING THAT BACK.

SO THAT'S A LITTLE HISTORY ABOUT HOW THIS ISSUE HAS GONE.

AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL KNEW THAT BECAUSE I HONESTLY DID NOT KNOW IT.

I HAVE ALSO, SINCE THE LAST MEETING, HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT WITH SEVERAL OF THE PLUMBERS.

I'VE HAD A PERSON WHO LIVES IN MY DISTRICT, WHO HAS EMAILED ME AND GIVEN ME A LITTLE INFORMATION ABOUT THE MEETINGS THAT WERE HELD WITH THE PLUMBERS IN THE CITY.

I HAD NOT HEARD OF A HYDROVAC.

FOR THIS PURPOSE, I'VE HEARD OF SOME VACUUMS THAT THE CITY HAS.

YEAH, VACUUMS THAT WE USE.

BUT APPARENTLY HYDROVACS WERE DISCUSSED IN THAT MEETING, AND I THINK THAT'S THE REFERENCE.

WHO WAS IT? LET ME FIND IT.

I KNOW JOHN, IT WAS EITHER JOHN KING OR DAVID BENITEZ ABOUT THE COST OF THIS EQUIPMENT. AND BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SO MANY COMPANIES WITH THEIR LINES IN THE ALLEYS NOW THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE.

I SUSPECT BEFORE IT WAS LIKE WATER AND ATMOS.

AND SEWER. AND NOW WE'VE GOT ALL OF THESE OTHERS, AND SO IN THAT MEETING, I'M TOLD THAT THE HYDROVAC WAS DISCUSSED AND THAT IT WAS REALLY RECOMMENDED THAT THAT BE UTILIZED.

WELL, IF IT COST $180,000 TO BUY THE EQUIPMENT, I UNDERSTAND WHY SOME OF YOU WERE HERE THEN AND NOW. BUT HAVING HAD IT EXPLAINED TO ME HOW IT WORKS, IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE IT'S WATER AND IT DOESN'T CUT PIPES AND IT DOESN'T REQUIRE SHORING.

AND THEY ACTUALLY TAKE, WHAT THEY WHAT THE WATER TRENCHES AND PUT IT INTO A TANK AND TAKE IT BACK TO THEIR LOCATIONS.

AND WHEN IT DRIES OUT, THEY I THINK THEY PUT IT OUT ON THEIR THEIR LOTS.

AND WHEN IT DRIES, THEY USE IT AGAIN FOR COMPACTING.

SO. IT APPEARS TO ME.

THAT THE, THAT WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS SET POLICY, WE'RE

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AND THE PLUMBERS HAVE BEEN INVOLVED, WHAT HAD HAPPENED WAS THE COUNCIL WAS NOT.

WE WERE NOT INFORMED AND WE BLAME THAT ON ON US IF YOU CHOOSE.

BUT IF THEY HAD THIS PLAN, OTHER WAY TO DO THIS, AND WE LEAVE THE ORDINANCE AS IT IS.

THEN WHY NOT SUBCONTRACT WITH OUR PLUMBERS, WHO ARE GEARED TO DO THE JOBS AND WHO ARE IN THE BUSINESS. IT IS, IN MY OPINION, IT IS THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GOING TO CONTROL WHAT IT COSTS TO DO THIS, BECAUSE IF YOU BID IT TOO HIGH, YOU MAY NOT GET THE JOB.

SO LET THE FORCES DETERMINE THE COST.

AND HAVE PEOPLE IN THE ALLEYS WITH THE PROPER EQUIPMENT TO DO THE JOB.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I HAVE GLEANED SINCE THE LAST MEETING AND I FELT LIKE IT WAS IMPORTANT TO LET PEOPLE KNOW.

THANK YOU, MS. JOY. MRS. MARTINEZ GARCIA.

I THINK THAT EVERY HOUSEHOLD IS A CASE BY CASE.

I MEAN, IF WE PUT LIMITS OR COST LIMITS TO THE PLUMBERS, I MEAN, I HAD SOMEBODY CALL ME AT 5:45 THIS MORNING WHO HAD AN ISSUE, AND SHE UNDERSTOOD SHE HAD A SITUATION ON FRIDAY AND HAD SHE NOT BEEN ABLE TO CALL A PLUMBER DIRECTLY? I THINK HER PROBLEM WOULD HAVE INCREASED.

BUT WHAT SHE ALSO EXPLAINED TO ME, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT HIGH FOR HER.

NOBODY EDUCATED HER ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE IS PROGRAMS AND WHATNOT.

I THINK WHAT I'VE ALSO HEARD FROM A LOT OF CITIZENS, THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE A FEE ADDED TO THEM SO THAT WE CAN PAY FOR THIS AND REVERT EVERYTHING BACK.

SO I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR JARRETT.

JARRETT DO YOU MIND? TELL ME.

WELL, I THINK.

MR. ATKINSON, ARE YOU AVAILABLE TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS ON THIS? SORRY. YES.

ALL RIGHT, MISS MARTINEZ GARCIA, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? LET ME BEFORE I..

DO WE DO A MOTION AND A SECOND? YEAH. ALL RIGHT. YEAH, WE DID ALL RIGHT, MISS MARTINEZ GARCIA, TAKE IT AWAY.

I'M GOING TO WITHDRAW AND I THINK WE HAVE AN IDEA, SO, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PAUSE BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO TACKLE THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE.

THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, BUT SORRY JARRETT, I DIDN'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT AND TAKE THAT SPOTLIGHT FROM YOU, BUT WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT ON HOLD.

I BET HE'S OKAY.

DOCTOR WILSON. YEAH.

THANK YOU MAYOR. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY YOU KNOW, I THINK OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS GOING TO ADDRESS A LOT OF THESE ISSUES BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON OUT THERE.

AND SO I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO STICK AROUND, ESPECIALLY OUR PLUMBING COMMUNITY.

PLEASE STAY AROUND. AND WE MAY WANT TO TALK TO YOU GUYS AFTER THE MEETING.

BUT I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CALL FOR THE QUESTION, MAYOR.

ALL RIGHT. I DON'T I DON'T SEE ANY MORE DISCUSSION.

SO INSTEAD OF TAKING THAT UP, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON SEVEN SIX BEFORE WE MOVE TO SEVEN SEVEN? ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON SEVEN SIX.

ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL OF 7.6, REMEMBER, WE'RE AS AMENDED.

PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE.

ANY OPPOSED BY SAYING NAY? NAY. MOTION CARRIES 5 TO 2.

ALL RIGHT. NOW WE'VE GOT ANOTHER FUN AGENDA ITEM 7.7.

[7. Resolution - City Council: Consider a resolution creating an ad-hoc committee to study and report to the City Council its findings and recommendations, regarding repair and replacement of the portion of sanitary sewer lateral lines in the public right-of-way.]

AND SO, SO IN A SENSE, WHAT WE'VE DONE, AS AMENDED, IS THE THE ORDINANCE IS NOW BACK TO HOW IT WAS PRIOR TO OCTOBER OF 2023.

WE NOW HAVE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE REQUEST PRESENTED BY MISS PATTERSON HARRIS AND DOCTOR WILSON, WHERE WE WILL CREATE A COMMITTEE TO TO FURTHER REALLY DEEP DIVE INTO THIS AND STUDY THIS AND WHAT THE PLAN IS, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS RESOLUTION IS TO CREATE ONE MEMBER APPOINTED BY EACH COUNCIL MEMBER AND THEN ADD IN FOUR OTHER OUTSIDE SOURCES, WHICH WOULD WOULD BE PLUMBERS FROM OUR COMMUNITY.

PROBABLY MANY OF YOU HERE THAT VOLUNTEERED ALREADY TO SHOW UP TODAY MAY HAVE SOME REQUESTS FOR YOU TO BE INVOLVED.

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IS THIS RESOLUTION? MR. ATKINSON DID YOU WANT TO HAVE DO WE HAVE ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO PRESENT TO READ THIS RESOLUTION, OR SHOULD I HAVE DOCTOR WILSON OR MISS PATTERSON HARRIS FURTHER.

I WOULD TURN IT OVER TO OUR TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I THINK THEY'VE GOT IT SET UP AND IT WILL, I BELIEVE, LEAD TO AND I GOT A POINT DOWN HERE TO DOCTOR WILSON.

SO, DOCTOR WILSON IF YOU'D LIKE TO PRESENT THE RESOLUTION THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING HERE TODAY THAT YOU AND MISS PATTERSON HARRIS ARE PROPOSING.

THANK YOU MAYOR. I APPRECIATE THAT.

I CAN'T READ FROM THE RESOLUTION DIRECTLY BECAUSE I CAN'T GET IT TO PULL UP ON MY LAPTOP.

SO, MISS PATTERSON HARRIS, IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING IN AS I GO THROUGH IT.

BUT I THINK SHEILA AND I BOTH FELT VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS AFTER OUR LAST MEETING.

THAT, AND I THINK ALL OF US DID THAT.

WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, THAT I THINK MAYBE WE ALL MADE.

SOME DECISIONS HASTILY WITHOUT HAVING ALL THE INFORMATION PRESENT, WHETHER THAT'S FROM OUR CITIZENS, WHETHER IT'S FROM OUR PLUMBING COMMUNITY.

AND WE NEED TO TAKE A BETTER LOOK AT THAT.

I WANT TO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HEAR EVERYBODY'S PERSPECTIVE.

THIS WAS NOT A DECISION THAT I THINK NEEDED TO BE MADE SITTING FROM UP HERE, I THINK THERE WAS SO MUCH INPUT NEEDED FROM EVERY PERSON THAT WE DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO LOOK THROUGH THAT. AND THAT IS UNFAIR TO OUR TO YOU GUYS, AND IT'S UNFAIR TO OUR CITIZENS OUT THERE, WHICHEVER SIDE YOU ARE ON.

AND SO MISS PATTERSON HARRIS AND I CAME TOGETHER LAST TIME AFTER OUR MEETING AND WITH OUR CITY MANAGER AND SOME OF OUR CITY STAFF DRAFTED THE RESOLUTION TO CREATE THIS AD HOC COMMITTEE, WHICH, LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, WE ARE GOING TO EACH APPOINT ONE MEMBER FROM OUR DISTRICT, JUST A CITIZEN MEMBER. AND THEN WE WOULD LIKE TO PULL FOUR MEMBERS FROM THE ALREADY APPROVED PLUMBING LIST.

SINCE YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN SO HEAVILY INVOLVED TO SIT ON THIS COMMITTEE TO BE ABLE TO BRING DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES.

AND THAT WAY WE CAN COME UP WITH A COMPROMISED OR WHATEVER DECISION IT NEEDS TO BE THAT'S BEST FOR LUBBOCK AND BEST FOR ALL OF US AS A WHOLE.

MISS SHEILA, DO YOU WANT ME TO READ THE RESOLUTION? WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ IT? BUT THAT'S OVERALL THE CONSENSUS OF WHAT WE DECIDED.

DO YOU WANT ME TO READ IT, MAYOR? OKAY, BUT, I MEAN, I CAN READ THIS A LOT OF WORDS THAT NOBODY PROBABLY CARES TO HEAR.

THAT'S WRITTEN IN VERY FUN LANGUAGE.

BUT THAT'S OVERALL WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAD A VOICE IN THIS, BECAUSE IT AFFECTS ALL OF US, WHETHER WE SIT UP HERE, WHETHER YOU SIT OUT THERE WHERE WHETHER YOU'RE AT HOME NO MATTER WHAT SOCIOECONOMIC BACKGROUNDS YOU COME FROM, THIS AFFECTS YOU.

AND WE WANT IT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THIS FAIRLY AND WITH EVERYBODY'S INPUT.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, DOCTOR WILSON. ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD TO THAT, MISS PATTERSON? HARRIS? I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THAT THAT KIND OF SAYS IT ALL.

I THINK THE THOSE OF US HERE ON THE DAIS HAVE THE ACTUAL RESOLUTION, BUT YOU EXPLAINED THE PURPOSE OF IT JUST SO THAT WE CAN HAVE GET ALL THE INFORMATION NEEDED TO GO FORWARD. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE? AGENDA ITEM 7.7.

SO MOVED. THANK YOU, DOCTOR WILSON.

IS THERE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT, MISS PATTERSON HARRIS IS A SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON 7.7? DOES ANYBODY REQUEST THAT? I READ THE ENTIRETY OF 7.7? ALL RIGHT, MISS JOY. I TYPICALLY LIKE CITIZEN COMMITTEES, PEOPLE COMMITTEES.

BUT THIS ONE'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE THIS IS A POLICY DECISION.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE INFORMATION WE NEEDED AT THE LAST MEETING, WHICH IS WHY I WENT OUT AND, I DID MY HOMEWORK.

I THINK THERE'S A SIMPLER SOLUTION.

AND THE PLUMBERS ARE THE MAIN PEOPLE.

AND THE STAFF.

THAT'S WHO NEEDS TO GET TOGETHER AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.

AND THEN WE WE CAN EITHER APPROVE IT AS A POLICY OR NOT.

SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR ON THIS ISSUE.

OF A COMMITTEE.

IT MAKES SENSE IF YOU'RE DOING A BOND ELECTION, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE.

BUT THIS IS VERY MUCH A POLICY DECISION.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF THIS, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT IT'S BEEN A POLICY DECISION THROUGH ALL THESE YEARS.

SO I WON'T BE IN SUPPORT OF A COMMITTEE.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, MISS JOY. MISS MARTINEZ GARCIA.

NO DOUBT THERE WAS A LOT OF MISINFORMATION FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS, AND THIS IS OUR CHANCE TO, WITH SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS TO CORRECT SOME OF THAT. WE'VE ALREADY DONE A LOT OF THAT.

WE'VE AND UNFORTUNATELY, IT HAS BEEN DIFFICULT TO CORRECT BECAUSE ONCE YOU LIGHT A FIRE IN A FIELD OF DRY GRASS, WELL, IT SPREADS VERY

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AND I AGREE THAT WE ARE STAFF IS ALSO VERY, VERY IMPORTANT IN THIS BECAUSE, I MEAN, IN SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS, WE ARE PUTTING SO MUCH STAFF TIME INTO THIS, AND WE NOW HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT KNOW THE INDUSTRY AND ARE READY TO DO THAT.

SO I AM GOING TO SUPPORT THIS AD HOC COMMITTEE BECAUSE IT'S NECESSARY AND AND PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE FIRST THING THAT WE DID.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MISS MARTINEZ-GARCIA.

MR. MASSENGALE. THANK YOU MAYOR.

AS I SAID LAST TIME, JUST TAKING THIS BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL FORM DOESN'T SOLVE THE ISSUE OF RESPONSIVENESS, WHICH WAS THE PROBLEM TO BEGIN WITH.

SEEMS LIKE THE MORE WE TALK ABOUT THIS, THE MORE WE GET NEW INFORMATION REVEALED.

I WOULD LOVE TO FIND A WAY THAT OUR THAT WORKS FOR OUR PLUMBING COMMUNITY.

I'D LOVE TO FIND A WAY THAT WORKS FOR OUR RATEPAYERS.

IT'S NOT A FINANCIAL BURDEN.

IF THE COMMITTEE IS THE THE MECHANISM TO MOVE FORWARD COMMITTEES CAN BE UNPRODUCTIVE, BUT I DO LIKE THE FACT THIS HAS A DEFINITIVE DATE TO REPORT BACK TO THE COUNCIL.

SO I'M ENCOURAGED THAT THIS GROUP APPOINTED WOULD, IF THIS PASSES TODAY, COULD REALLY DIG INTO AND FIND REALLY A GOOD RESOLUTION FOR ALL PARTIES INVOLVED.

THE CITY. THE RATEPAYERS AND OUR PLUMBING COMMUNITY.

THANKS. THANK YOU, MR. MASSENGALE. MR. MCBRAYER.

YEAH. I UNDERSTAND WHAT MISS JOY IS SAYING.

IT'S A POLICY DECISION IN MANY WAYS, BUT OUR POLICIES CAN'T BE DIVORCED FROM OUR CITIZENS CONCERNS EITHER.

AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE REALLY DRIVEN US TO RECONSIDER THIS.

SO I'M IN FAVOR OF ACTUALLY IN THIS INSTANCE, INVOLVING CITIZENS ON IT.

BUT I DO REALIZE THE EXPERTISE WILL COME A LOT FROM OUR STAFF AND THE PLUMBING COMMUNITY.

BUT THE CITIZENS NEED TO KNOW THAT THEY HAVE INPUT ON THIS BECAUSE THEY FELT LIKE THEY DIDN'T THE FIRST TIME WE WENT THROUGH THIS.

SO I'D BE IN FAVOR OF THIS.

ALL RIGHT. THANKS. THANK YOU, MR. MCBRAYER. ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE A RESOLUTION IN FRONT OF US.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND IN.

ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL OF 7.7.

PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES 6 TO 1.

ALL RIGHT. WE ARE NOT IN. WE ARE NOT RECESSED FOR THE DAY.

THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.

THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN, FOR LIFTING YOUR VOICES UP.

APPRECIATE YOU. PROBABLY GOING TO BE CALLING ON YOU FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.

AND SO THANKS FOR BEING WILLING TO STEP UP.

AT THIS TIME, COUNCIL WAS GOING TO TAKE A BRIEF BREAK, AND THEN WE'RE MOVING BACK INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION ON STAFFING ISSUES.

COUNCIL, IS TEN MINUTES GOOD ENOUGH? 15, FIVE, MISS.

ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT, LET'S LET'S COME BACK AT TEN AFTER FOUR INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

SO THAT'S EIGHT MINUTES.

THAT'S A COMPROMISE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE ARE IN RECESS.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.