[1. Executive Session] [00:00:02] ALL RIGHT. I NOW OPEN THE REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING LUBBOCK CITY COUNCIL FOR JUNE 9TH, 2026. THE CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION IN ACCORDANCE WITH TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 551.072 TO DISCUSS THE PURCHASE, EXCHANGE OR VALUE OF REAL PROPERTY RELATING TO AGENDA ITEMS. 1.1.1 AND 6.9. THE CITY COUNCIL IS RECESSING AT 1:32. I FORGOT HOW WE SET EVERYTHING UP. IT WAS [INAUDIBLE] AND THEN. I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE. I KNOW. THAT'S RIGHT. LITTLE FRUIT. FRUIT BASKET TURNOVER HERE WITH OUR NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS. HOW WE PUT EVERY EVERYBODY IN LINE. SO WE'RE GOING TO NOW RECONVENE AN OPEN SESSION. [1. Invocation] AND WE'RE GOING TO START WITH OUR CEREMONIAL ITEMS FIRST. SO WE WILL HAVE OUR PRAYER AND OUR PLEDGES. I'M GOING TO CALL ON SENIOR PASTOR JOSE LIMAS, JUNIOR LIMAS FROM COMMUNITY CHRISTIAN CHURCH TO LEAD US IN OUR OPENING PRAYER. AND AFTER THAT, OUR NEW MAYOR PRO TEM, DOCTOR WILSON, WILL LEAD US IN OUR PLEDGES. MAYOR MCBRAYER, ON BEHALF OF OUR ELDERS AT COMMUNITY CHRISTIAN AND ON BEHALF OF OUR BOARD, WE SALUTE YOU ALL. WE HONOR YOU FOR YOUR COURAGE TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY IN THE MANNER THAT YOU DO. AMEN. AMEN. FATHER. THANK YOU, THANK YOU LORD. THANK YOU, ABBAH FATHER, FOR BEING WHO YOU ARE. LORD, IN EVERY SEASON OF OUR LIFE. FATHER, I THANK YOU THAT YOU GIVE US WISDOM. I THANK YOU THAT YOU GIVE US COURAGE. I THANK YOU THAT YOU LEAD US BY YOUR WORD, FATHER AND LORD, AS I, AS I STAND HERE BEFORE MAYOR MCBRAYER AND EVERY COUNCIL WOMAN AND EVERY COUNCILMAN. FATHER, I THANK YOU THAT YOUR WORD SAYS IN HEBREWS CHAPTER 11 THAT YOU ARE A REWARDER OF THOSE WHO DILIGENTLY SEEK YOU. AND JUST THE FACT THAT WE HAVE PRAYER BEFORE WE START A MEETING. THIS IS EVIDENCE OF THEM SEEKING YOU, LORD. AND I THANK YOU THAT THE REWARD IS YOUR WISDOM. I THANK YOU THAT THE REWARD IS YOUR TRUTH AND YOUR GUIDANCE. FATHER, I THANK YOU, LORD, FOR THE BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN THAT STAND BEFORE ME. FATHER, I PRAY THAT YOU WOULD ANOINT THEIR HEARTS, ANOINT THEIR HEART WITH EARS TO HEAR, AND EYES TO SEE HOW YOU, THE CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, HOW YOU WOULD GUIDE THEM, HOW YOU WOULD HELP THEM MAKE DECISIONS. FATHER. YES, LORD. GIVE US. GIVE US ALL EYES TO SEE AND EARS TO HEAR. THE PATH THAT YOU HAVE FOR US. FATHER, YOU MAKE KNOWN TO US THE PATH OF LIFE ACCORDING TO PSALM 16:11. AND I THANK YOU, LORD. I THANK YOU, LORD, THAT YOU'RE DOING THAT NOT JUST TODAY, BUT IN EVERY MEETING THAT THAT OCCURS HERE, YOU MAKE KNOWN TO US THE PATH OF LIFE AND WE SAY YES TO IT. FATHER. FATHER, WE RECEIVE YOUR PEACE. WE CAST OUR CARES ON YOU. WE RECEIVE YOUR PEACE. FATHER, IN CHRIST JESUS NAME, WE RELEASE OUR FAITH TOGETHER. CAN YOU SAY AMEN? AMEN, AMEN. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. [2. Pledges of Allegiance] I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THE FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE. TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL BEGIN BY HEARING AND DISCUSSING SOME PRESENTATIONS ON THE FOLLOWING, AND WE'LL GET SOME GUIDANCE FROM OUR STAFF ON THE TEXAS STATE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE [1. Presentation - Texas State Comptroller's Office Transparency Star Award - Traditional Finances] TRANSPARENCY STAR AWARD ON TRADITIONAL FINANCES AND CITY MANAGER. ARE YOU GOING TO DO THAT, MR. ATKINSON? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. HONOR THAT AWARD. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL, I'M GOING TO TEE IT UP, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK MR. JOE JIMENEZ, OUR CFO. JOE'S GOING TO COME UP. IT IS JOE AND HIS TEAM THAT, OF COURSE, NOT ONLY DO THE WORK BEHIND THESE AWARDS, BUT DID THE WORK TO SUBMIT FOR IT. SO JOE'S GOING TO RUN US THROUGH THIS PRETTY QUICK. THIS IS THE FIRST OF SUCH AWARDS THAT WE'VE HAD, BUT HE'S ALSO GOING TO TOUCH ON THOSE THINGS WE HAVE BEEN DOING FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS FOR [00:05:07] FINANCIAL TRANSPARENCY AND WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN FIND THOSE IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN THAT. SO, JOE, IF YOU WOULD, IF YOU'D START. GOOD AFTERNOON MAYOR AND COUNCIL. YEAH. AS MR. ATKINSON MENTIONED WE'RE PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE'VE RECEIVED THE TEXAS COMPTROLLER TRANSPARENCY STARS AWARD IN TRADITIONAL FINANCES. SO AS A CITY, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY STRIVE TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE. AND I THINK THIS SHOWS OUR COMMITMENT TO THAT, TO BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF THE PUBLIC FUNDS THAT WE'RE IN CONTROL OF. SO A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE AWARD. SO THE TRANSPARENCY STARS AWARD IS AWARDED TO CITIES THAT PROVIDE TRANSPARENCY IN TRADITIONAL FINANCES. SOME OF THE CRITERIA IS ENSURE THE CITY'S WEBSITE HAS THE GENERAL OVERVIEW AND IT'S EASILY ACCESSIBLE. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE GOOD THINGS ON THERE. WE ALSO PROVIDE TRADITIONAL FINANCE SUMMARIES SUCH AS TOTAL ANNUAL EXPENSES FROM ALL FUNDS. AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE HAVE OUR OPERATING BUDGETS, OUR ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT. WE ALSO HAVE OTHER INFORMATION, FOR EXAMPLE, PROPERTY TAX PER 100 VALUATION FOR AT LEAST THE LAST FIVE YEARS. OPERATING BUDGETS, AS I MENTIONED, AND ALSO DOWNLOADABLE DATA SETS THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN SPREADSHEET FORM. SO OUR CITIZENS CAN GO TO THE WEBSITE, PULL THAT DATA AND KIND OF GET THE NUMBERS THAT WE GET AND GET THE RAW DATA FROM THAT. SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MEET THAT CRITERIA. BUT AS MR. ATKINSON MENTIONED, WE KIND OF ALREADY DID MOST OF THAT STUFF. WE PROBABLY DID ABOUT 90% OF THE STUFF TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS AWARD. WE DO HAVE THAT TRANSPARENCY STAR. WE'LL PUT OUT A PRESS RELEASE AFTER THIS ONCE WE'VE MADE THIS ANNOUNCEMENT AND WE'LL ADD THAT STAR TO OUR WEBSITE. SO THAT WILL BE THE SIGN FROM THE COMPTROLLER THAT WE DO. WE DID ACHIEVE THIS AWARD. THERE'S 106 CITIES, MUNICIPAL CITIES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS THAT HAVE THIS AWARD. THERE'S OVER 1200 CITIES. WE'RE IN THE TOP 10% OF THOSE IN TRANSPARENCY. SO THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE COMPTROLLER'S WEBSITE. WE'RE LISTED ON THAT. SO WE'RE ONE OF THE 106 CITIES THAT HAVE GOTTEN THIS AWARD. IT'S MR. ATKINSON MENTIONED WE PUT ON OUR ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT, WHICH IS OUR INTERNAL AUDIT. THEN WE HAVE THE POPULAR ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT KNOWN AS THE PAFR. WHAT I LIKE TO CALL THIS IS JUST A CLIFF NOTES OF OUR ACFR. SO, YOU KNOW, THE ACFR IS A BIG DOCUMENT. SO THE PAFR KIND OF SUMS IT UP INTO MORE INTO A LESS INTENSE DOCUMENT. AND SO WE PRESENT THAT AS WELL. WE DO OUR ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGET AND CAPITAL PROGRAM. THE SAME THING. OUR BUDGET AND BRIEF IS ABOUT 18 PAGE PDF. THAT KIND OF SUMS IT UP IN 18 PAGES VERSUS THE 800 PLUS PAGES ON OUR OPERATING BUDGET. AGAIN, I WANT TO MENTION THAT ON OUR POPULAR ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT AND THE ACFR, WE'VE ALSO RECEIVED THE GFOAT, YOUR GOVERNMENT FINANCE OFFICERS OF TEXAS ASSOCIATION ACHIEVEMENT AWARD FOR THAT TOO. SO NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE THE COMPTROLLER ONE, WE HAVE THE GFOAT AWARD THAT MY FINANCE STAFF AND ACCOUNTING STAFF GETS ANNUALLY FOR SUBMITTING THE BUDGET. I WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE TO RECOGNIZE MY FINANCE STAFF, TOO. THEY'RE THE PEOPLE THAT DO THE WORK BEHIND THE SCENES ON THAT. SO I REALLY WANTED TO GIVE THEM A BIG APPLAUSE FOR THAT. THEY'VE DONE REALLY GOOD. AND SO IF THEY WANT TO STAND UP [APPLAUSE]. SO THEY'RE REALLY THE BRAINS BEHIND IT. SO SO THE NEXT SLIDES, I MEAN, UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, JUST KIND OF WANTED TO GIVE Y'ALL WHAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE COMPTROLLER. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A LETTER FROM THE INTERIM OF KELLY HANCOCK. IT KIND OF SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT MR. SAMUEL ROBERTS DID ALL THE PAPERWORK FOR IT, SO THEY ADDRESSED IT TO HIM. SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT LET EVERYBODY KNOW HIS NAME WAS ON THIS PAPER WHEN WE RECEIVED IT. BUT AGAIN, IT'S JUST A AWARD RECOGNIZING THAT WE DID MEET ALL THE CRITERIA. AND SO WE DID ACHIEVE THIS AWARD. AND THEN THE TRANSPARENCY STAR CERTIFICATE AS WELL. SO THIS IS THEIR CERTIFICATE THEY GAVE ON BEHALF OF THE COMPTROLLER TO THE CITY OF LUBBOCK FOR BEING TRANSPARENT, AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE. SO AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S A THAT'S A BIG EMPHASIS. YOU KNOW, AS A CITY, AS I MENTIONED, WE WANT TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE. AND I THINK ACHIEVING THESE AWARDS SHOW THAT WE'RE MAKING OUR INFORMATION EASILY ACCESSIBLE TO OUR CITIZENS AND, AND ALSO THAT WE HAVE ALL THE CONTACTS, OUR OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, OUR MAYOR, EVEN OUR, OUR, OUR STAFF MEMBERS. SO ANYTIME THEY HAVE A QUESTION, THEY'RE MORE THAN FREE TO EMAIL US OR CALL ANY OF US. SO WITH THAT SAID, THAT'S, THAT'S THE AWARD. AND UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. MAYOR. OH. COUNCIL PERSON. MARTINEZ-GARCIA, ONCE MAYOR PRO TEM, ALWAYS MAYOR PRO TEM. I'M JUST SAYING. I JUST WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU. WE DON'T OFTEN GET TO SEE THESE FOLKS, BUT WE KNOW THAT YOUR HARD WORK REALLY MAKES AN IMPACT FOR OUR CITY, AND IT GIVES ACCESS TO OUR CITY, OUR CITIZENS. [00:10:04] SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND WE APPRECIATE YOU IN SO MANY WAYS. YEAH. WHEN I BECAME AWARE OF THIS AWARD A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, I SAID, MAN, WE NEED TO GET THAT AWARD BECAUSE THAT THAT SHOWS THAT WE ARE COMMITTED. AND I THINK EVERYBODY UP HERE IS COMMITTED TO MAKING SURE THAT OUR CITIZENS HAVE ACCESS TO ALL THE INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED TO KEEP US ACCOUNTABLE TO THEM. TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY ARE WATCHWORDS OF THIS COUNCIL AND OF ME AS THE MAYOR. AND SO I'M PROUD OF YOU FOR GETTING THIS. AND WE INTEND TO GET IT EVERY YEAR. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU ALL FOR WORKING ON THAT AND FOR YOUR COMMITMENT TO MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE TRANSPARENT AS A CITY. THANK YOU JOE. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SPECIAL RECOGNITION FOR RESPONSIBLE FATHERHOOD [2. Presentation of a Special Recognition for Responsible Fatherhood Month] MONTH. I'M GOING TO STEP DOWN TO THE PODIUM HERE AND CALL SOME FOLKS HERE WHO ARE HERE TODAY FOR THIS RECOGNITION. COME ON BOARD. THESE WOMEN CAME TO ME A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, WANTING US TO RECOGNIZE THIS MONTH AS RESPONSIBLE FATHERHOOD MONTH IN THE CITY. I WAS RAISED BY. PROBABLY. I MEAN, MY FATHER IS MY ROLE MODEL FOR EVERYTHING. IT'S VERY EASY FOR ME TO SAY IN MY LIFE, OBVIOUSLY. WHAT WOULD JESUS DO? AND I SOMETIMES CAN'T IMAGINE WHETHER JESUS WOULD RIDE A BICYCLE OR NOT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE HARD TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. I KNOW WHAT MY FATHER WOULD DO. IT'S A IT'S A WAY I ANSWER A LOT OF QUESTIONS IN MY LIFE. AND I WAS FORTUNATE TO HAVE A FATHER WHO WAS VERY RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS FAMILY. AND WE ALL KNOW AS A COMMUNITY, BECAUSE WE STAND UP HERE AS LEADERS IN THIS COMMUNITY. WE KNOW THAT WHAT WE DO AS A COUNCIL IS ONLY TOUCHING THE SURFACE OF WHAT IS IMPORTANT, BECAUSE THE SOUL OF A CITY REALLY COMES DOWN TO ITS FAMILY LIFE AND THE COMMITMENT OF ITS PEOPLE. AND IF THAT'S NOT STRONG, THE CITY CANNOT BE STRONG. AND SO FATHERS ARE KEY TO THE STRENGTH OF FAMILIES IN OUR CITY. AND WE WANT TO HONOR THAT AND STRESS THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT. SO I HAVE A SPECIAL PROCLAMATION HERE TODAY TO READ. WHEREAS RESPONSIBLE FATHERS PLAY A VITAL ROLE IN THE WELL-BEING OF THEIR CHILDREN, FAMILY AND THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. AND GOOD FATHERING AND CO-PARENTING BRINGS POSITIVE COGNITIVE DEVELOPMENT, EMOTIONAL SECURITY, AND LONG TERM SUCCESS FOR CHILDREN. AND WHEREAS ENGAGED FATHERS CREATE BONDS, FOSTER EMOTIONAL DEVELOPMENT, AND BRING A SOURCE OF COMFORT THAT NOBODY ELSE CAN. WHEN FATHERS TAKE IT UPON THEMSELVES TO BE CONSTANTLY INVOLVED, A CHILD WILL BE LESS VULNERABLE TO HARMFUL BEHAVIORS, MORE LIKELY TO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS IN THE FUTURE, AND IS MORE LIKELY TO GROW IN AN ENVIRONMENT THAT ALLOWS THEM TO REACH THEIR FULL POTENTIAL. AND WHEREAS, UNFORTUNATELY, ACCORDING TO THE CITIZENS DEFENDING FREEDOM, APPROXIMATELY 1 IN 4 AMERICAN CHILDREN LIVE WITHOUT A BIOLOGICAL OR ADOPTIVE FATHER IN THEIR HOME, THE UNITED STATES IS THE HIGHEST RATE OF SINGLE PARENT HOUSEHOLDS IN THE WORLD. MORE THAN THREE TIMES THE GLOBAL AVERAGE AND FATHER ABSENCE IS RISING IN OUR COMMUNITIES. SO WE NEED TO BREAK THIS CYCLE BECAUSE THE STRENGTH OF OUR FUTURE DEPENDS ON THE STRENGTH OF OUR FAMILIES, WHICH STARTS WITH RESPONSIBLE FATHERS. AND WHEREAS EVERY CHILD DESERVES A CHANCE TO REACH THEIR FULL POTENTIAL, AND IT'S APPROPRIATE TO RECOGNIZE ALL THE FATHERS MAKING A DIFFERENCE, WHETHER IT BE BIOLOGICAL FATHER FIGURES, FOSTER PARENTS, OR ADOPTIVE PARENTS. THEY DESERVE HONOR, CARE, APPRECIATION, AND THANKS FOR THEIR LOVE AND VITAL PARENTAL ROLE. NOW, THEREFORE, WE, THE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL OF THE GREAT CITY OF LUBBOCK DO HEREBY PROCLAIM JUNE AS RESPONSIBLE FATHERHOOD MONTH IN LUBBOCK AND ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS TO JOIN US IN CELEBRATING, PROMOTE POSITIVE FATHERING AND CO-PARENTING AND INCREASING PUBLIC AWARENESS OF THE CRUCIAL ROLE FATHERS HAVE IN OUR FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES. DATED THIS NINTH DAY OF JUNE 2026, SIGNED BY ME AS THE MAYOR AND ALL MEMBERS OF OUR COUNCIL. I WANT TO PRESENT IT TO ALL YOU LADIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. YES. THANK YOU. YES. GOOD, GOOD GOOD.[INAUDIBLE]. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT A FEW STATISTICS THAT ARE IN THE BROCHURE FROM CITIZENS DEFENDING FREEDOM. [00:15:03] HE SAID SEVERAL CHILDREN INVOLVED WITH INVOLVED FATHERS ARE MORE LIKELY TO EXCEL IN SCHOOL AND LESS LIKELY TO REPEAT A GRADE. CHILDREN WITHOUT INVOLVED FATHERS ARE TWO TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DROP OUT OF SCHOOL. PRIORITIZING RESPONSIBLE FATHERHOOD COULD SAVE TAXPAYERS BILLIONS OF DOLLARS BY HIGHLIGHTING THE VITAL ROLE FATHERS PLAY IN CHILD'S WELL-BEING, FAMILY STABILITY AND COMMUNITY STRENGTH, WE CAN WORK TO REDUCE CHILDHOOD POVERTY, INCARCERATION RATES AND EDUCATION LAG FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. AND ONE OTHER STATISTIC THAT WE FOUND 60%, 66% OF FATHERLESS CHILDREN ARE JUVENILE DELINQUENTS INCARCERATED. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR RECOGNIZING THIS. AND THIS IS A NATIONAL PUSH. LISA HAS A STATEMENT SHE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ABOUT THAT QUICKLY. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE MORE STATES ARE GETTING ON BOARD TO CHANGE OUR OUR FAMILY. AND I JUST WANT TO GIVE RECOGNITION TO TENNESSEE AND INDIANA. THEY HAVE PUSHED TO REBRAND JUNE AS NUCLEAR FAMILY MONTH AND ALABAMA HAS DECLARED STRONG FAMILIES MONTH. SO I'M GLAD TO SEE TEXAS GET ON BOARD. SUSIE, DO YOU HAVE SOME CERTIFICATES? I DO, I DO, BUT I ALSO HAVE A STAT. EVERYONE HAS A STAT I WANT TO, I HAVE A STAT. SO I ALSO HEARD THAT 80% OF CHILDREN THAT HAVE A FATHER FIGURE IN A SPIRITUAL CAPACITY ARE MORE LIKELY TO FOLLOW THE WAY OF THE LORD COMPARED TO ABOUT 20% IF THE FEMALE IS THE THE SPIRITUAL LEADER IN THEIR FAMILY. SO IF YOU KNOW OF SOMEONE THAT IS WITHOUT A FATHER FIGURE. I WOULD I WOULD ASK YOU TO JUST STEP UP AND AND BE THAT FATHER FIGURE FOR THEM. WE DO HAVE TWO CERTIFICATES. NOW. FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK. YOU ARE AT IT EVERY DAY, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT AN EASY TASK. AND I TOLD SOMEONE THAT I THINK THAT ABOUT I COULD ENJOY ABOUT 20% OF THE STUFF THAT THEY DO, AND THE 80% WOULD BE MY PROBLEM. BUT THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU ARE DOING. SO WE HAVE TWO STAND OUTS TO US ON THE CITY COUNCIL THAT WE SEE THAT IS REALLY STANDING OUT AS A FATHER FIGURE TO US. AND I WOULD LIKE TO READ THIS TO YOU ALL. AND AND THEN I'LL TELL YOU WHO THOSE TWO ARE, BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO BE ON THE EDGE OF YOUR SEAT WAITING. SO WE WANT TO PRESENT THIS CERTIFICATE AND TO WE WANT TO SAY THIS. MAY THE LORD BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU. MAY THE LORD MAKE HIS FACE SHINE UPON YOU AND BE GRACIOUS TO YOU. THE LORD LIFT UP HIS COUNTENANCE UPON YOU AND GIVE YOU PEACE. THIS IS IN NUMBERS CHAPTER SIX. AND SO WE HAVE THIS FOR DAVID GLASHEEN, AND ALSO FOR BRAYDEN ROSE, THAT WERE NOBLE ENOUGH TO REALIZE FAMILY AND CHILDREN ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYTHING ELSE IN THEIR LIFE, AND SO WE WANT TO PRESENT THEM FOR TAKING A STAND TO STEP DOWN AND, AND TAKING THAT STEP TOWARD, TOWARDS BEING MORE OF A, A FATHER, MORE OF A PRESENT FATHER IN THEIR KIDS LIVES. SO BRAYDEN ROSE [APPLAUSE]. AND WE WILL GET DAVID'S TO HIM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL NOW TAKE UP OUR CITIZEN COMMENTS. [4. Citizen Comments - According to Lubbock City Council Rules, any citizen wishing to appear in-person before a regular meeting of the City Council, regarding any matter posted on the City Council Agenda below, shall complete the sign-up form provided at the meeting, no later than 2:00 p.m. on June 9, 2026. Citizen Comments provide an opportunity for citizens to make comments and express a position on agenda items.] AND ACCORDING TO OUR CITY COUNCIL RULES, ANY CITIZEN WISHING TO APPEAR IN PERSON BEFORE THE COUNCIL CAN SPEAK ON ANY MATTER THAT WE HAVE POSTED FOR OUR AGENDA. WE ASK THAT YOU SIGN UP BEFORE 2:00 AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO MAKE YOUR COMMENTS. WARNING BELL WILL SOUND WHEN YOU HAVE 30S LEFT TO MAKE YOUR COMMENTS. AND A FINAL BELL WILL SOUND WHEN YOU'RE DONE. AND WE HAVE ONE PERSON SIGNED UP TO MAKE COMMENTS TODAY. GARY ANDREWS. MR. ANDREWS, IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, IF YOU WOULD, FOR THE RECORD. YES, SIR. GOOD AFTERNOON. GARY ANDREWS, GRANER REAL ESTATE, 470 1/21 STREET. EXTREMELY APOLOGETIC FOR HOW MANY WORDS I'M ABOUT TO SAY IN THREE MINUTES. WE ARE HERE TODAY REGARDING AGENDA ITEM 6.9, WHICH IS THE REJECTION OF THE [INAUDIBLE] THAT WERE TAKEN FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY PROPERTY THAT THE CITY OWNS AT 104TH AND MILWAUKEE. RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING THE COUNCIL REJECTS THE RESOLUTION TO REJECT THE BID AND INSTEAD MOVES TO APPROVE IT. WE BELIEVE THAT OUR BID THAT WAS THE WINNING BID, I BELIEVE WAS THE ONLY BID. EXCUSE ME, IT WAS NOT JUST THE MOST COMPETITIVE, BUT IT'S THE HIGHEST THAT THE CITY CAN REALISTICALLY LOOK FOR ON THE TRACK BECAUSE OF SOME SEVERE PHYSICAL AND FINANCIAL LIMITATIONS THAT THE TRACK CARRIES WITH IT THAT I'M GOING TO TRY TO GO THROUGH VERY QUICKLY HERE. [00:20:02] FIRST, I THINK THE BIGGEST CONFUSING POINT IS THE FACT THAT THERE IS AN APPRAISAL ON THE TRACK THAT THE CITY HAS IN HAND THAT WAS STATING $360,000 FOR THE VALUE OF THE TRACT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THAT WAS AND IT'S HIGHLIGHTED ON THE HANDOUT I GAVE YOU, AS WELL AS ON THE SCREENS. THIS IS A HYPOTHETICAL AND CIRCUMSTANTIAL APPRAISAL. THE THE APPRAISER HIMSELF SAID SO. AND THE APPRAISER, THE APPRAISER HIGHLIGHTED THAT THIS SPECIFICALLY WAS ESTIMATED FOR 0.92 ACRES OF THIS TRACT TO BE RECLAIMED AS DEVELOPABLE LAND. HE WENT ON TO STATE THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE DRAINAGE STUDY, WOULD REQUIRE ADDITIONAL ENGINEERING, WOULD REQUIRE A CUT FILL PROJECT THAT HE WASN'T QUALIFIED TO ESTABLISH A VALUE FOR. AND THEN HE CAME IN AND SAID HE RESERVED THE RIGHT TO CHANGE THE VALUE BASED ON WHAT THAT CAME BACK AT. LASTLY, THE TRACT IS CURRENTLY ZONED AS SINGLE FAMILY. HE SAID THIS WOULD HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT A ZONING CHANGE AS WELL. SO IT'S BASICALLY A HYPOTHETICAL APPRAISAL FOR A TRACT THAT IS NOT IN EXISTENCE YET. SO I WANTED TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT THEY, THEY HAD IN THE APPRAISAL THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE TO THIS TRACT. FIRST OFF, THE BIGGEST PHYSICAL LIMITATION OF THIS TRACT IS IT IS NOT JUST A LOW TRACT THAT HAS TO BE BROUGHT UP FOR DEVELOPMENT LIKE WE WOULD TYPICALLY BE TALKING ABOUT. IT IS A TRACT IN THE MIDDLE OF A [INAUDIBLE]. YOU CAN SEE ON THE ZOOM IN THAT THE TRACT THAT WE BID ON IS COMPLETELY IN THE FLOODPLAIN. AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT IF YOU GO TO THE ZOOM OUT, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE ENTIRE AREA DRAINS THROUGH IT AND INTO THE PLAYA ACROSS THE STREET. IF YOU LOOK AT THE VIEWS THAT WE'VE, WE'VE PROVIDED YOU BOTH FROM THE NORTH AND SOUTH, THERE IS A SAWTOOTH CURB CUT THAT IS TAKING WATER OFF OF MILWAUKEE INTO THE TRACT. THERE'S A 4 TO 5 FOOT DIFFERENTIAL FROM CURB TO THE TO THE TRACT RIGHT AT THE BACK OF CURB. THE ENTIRE TRACK IS NOT NECESSARILY FIVE FEET DOWN. OH, HERE WE GO. BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO RAISE IT AN AVERAGE OF THREE AND A HALF TO FOUR FEET TO MAKE ANYTHING DEVELOPABLE. OUR NUMBERS FOR CUT, FILL, AND IMPORT WOULD BE ANYWHERE FROM 125,000 TO 150,000 PER TWO FEET. SO AT FOUR FEET, THE MINIMUM WOULD BE $300,000 WORTH OF CUT FILL TO IMPORT DIRT FOR US. THIS JUST ALLOWS US TO HAVE AN ACCESS POINT OFF OF MILWAUKEE TO ALLOW ACCESS TO OUR TRACT IN THE BACK. THAT ENABLES US TO GET THE TRAFFIC THAT'S COMING TO THE SPORTS COMPLEX, NOT GOING ON THE SIDE FEEDER STREET, BUT COMING FROM MILWAUKEE AS WELL. WE BELIEVE IT'S A BENEFIT TO BOTH US AND TO THE CITY. AND WE THINK THAT WE HAVE THE BEST ECONOMIC POSITION TO OFFER AS STRONG OF A NUMBER AS WE DID. JUST ONE QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. ANDREWS. HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW DEEP THAT PROPERTY IS? DEPTH OFF OF THE STREET. YOU'RE SAYING IT'S OFF OF MILWAUKEE? IT'S. I BELIEVE IT'S RIGHT AT ABOUT 250FT. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT FIGURE IN FRONT OF ME. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. [INAUDIBLE]. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE [5. Minutes] UP ITEM 5.1, WHICH IS THE MINUTES FOR MAY 12TH AND THE MINUTES FOR MAY 20TH. SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 5.1? AND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ANY DISCUSSION ANY CHANGES ANY ALTERATIONS? I SEE NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. I HEAR NONE. THAT MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL NOW TAKE UP ITEM SIX OF THE CONSENT AGENDA, AND WE ARE PULLING 6.9 FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION. [6. Consent Agenda - Items considered to be routine are enacted by one motion without separate discussion. If the City Council desires to discuss an item, the item is removed from the Consent Agenda and considered separately.] SO IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM 6.9. HAVE A MOTION. HAVE A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. I HEAR NONE THAT MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. SO WE'LL NOW TAKE UP ITEM 6.9. AND WE'RE GOING TO CALL ON MR. [9. Resolution - Right-of-Way: Consider a resolution rejecting any and all bids received for the purchase of City-owned real property, a 3.27-acre tract of land in Section 22, Block AK, Lubbock County, Texas, per ITB 26-19577-SR.] REJINO ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER TO PROVIDE A BRIEFING ON THIS MATTER. ALL RIGHT. MAYOR, COUNCIL, GOOD TO BE WITH YOU. LET'S SEE IF THE SCREEN POPS UP HERE. SO WE RECENTLY WENT OUT TO BID ON THE PARCELS THAT MR. ANDREWS JUST REFERENCED. I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THOSE. IT'S A 1002, 101202 THROUGH 10206 AND 10302 THROUGH 10304 MILWAUKEE RIGHT AT 90TH MILWAUKEE IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF OUR WATER TOWER ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE THERE. SO IT'S KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE BALLPARK, WHERE THE LOCATION IS AGAIN, 98TH AND MILWAUKEE SOUTHWEST. THIS JUST OUTLINES THE FIVE PARCELS THAT WE JUST WENT OVER. AND AGAIN, AS MR. ANDREWS MENTIONED, IT IS IN THE FLOODPLAIN. ALL FIVE PARCELS ARE IN THE FLOODPLAIN. WE WENT OUT BASICALLY FOR A HIGH BID SITUATION AND RECEIVED ONE BID BACK PRIOR TO COVERING THE BID. I'M GOING TO GO OVER THE APPRAISAL. WE DID RECEIVE AN APPRAISAL IN THE AMOUNT OF $360,000. [00:25:03] THAT WORKS OUT TO $2.57 A SQUARE FOOT, ASSUMING THE ENTIRE TRACT, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE ENTIRE TRACT IS NOT USABLE BECAUSE IT'S ALL IN THE FLOODPLAIN. THAT WAS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT THE APPRAISAL THE APPRAISER DID ACCOUNT FOR WHAT THE COST ESTIMATE FOR THE CUT AND FILL OF $141,000. AND THAT'S WHERE HE CAME UP WITH THE WITH $8.59 A SQUARE FOOT, WHICH GETS YOU TO YOUR 3 60. THE BID RECEIVED. WE DID RECEIVE A BID OF A LITTLE OVER $100,000. COMPARING THE SAME COMPARABLES THERE FOR THE WHOLE TRACK, $0.72 A SQUARE FOOT, OR $2.39 A SQUARE FOOT FOR FOR THAT. SO THE RESOLUTION BEFORE YOU TODAY IS BASICALLY TO REJECT BIDS. IF YOU DID THAT, WE WOULD THEN LIST WITH THE BROKER IF YOU CHOOSE TO DENY THE RESOLUTION. AND THAT WOULD BE A DIRECTION TO ME TO BRING YOU BACK A SALES CONTRACT FOR THIS BID. SO WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. ANY COMMENTS FROM MISTER REJINO OR QUESTIONS? I SEE NONE, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 6.9? I'LL REPEAT ONE MORE TIME. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE 6.9. SO THAT MOTION FAILS FOR LACK OF A MOTION. ALL RIGHT. IS THAT RIGHT?[INAUDIBLE] ALL RIGHT. MOVE ON NOW TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA. THE COUNCIL WILL TAKE UP THE REGULAR AGENDA. [1. Board Appointments - City Secretary: Consider appointments of City Council members to the South Plains Association of Governments (SPAG) Board.] AND START WITH ITEM 7.1. APPOINTMENTS TO CITY COUNCIL. MEMBERS OF THE SOUTH PLAINS ASSOCIATION OF GOVERNMENTS, SPAG BOARD AND COURTNEY PAZ, OUR CITY SECRETARY, WILL PROVIDE A BRIEFING ON THIS MATTER. THANK YOU. MAYOR. THE CITY OF LUBBOCK IS ENTITLED TO FIVE POSITIONS ON THE SPABG BOARD. THESE POSITIONS MUST BE OCCUPIED BY ELECTED OFFICIALS. THIS IS BASED ON ONE REPRESENTATIVE FOR EACH 50,000 PERSONS OF TOTAL POPULATION. WE DO HAVE A CURRENT VACANCY WITH FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER DAVID GLASHEEN. ALSO, WHEN MR. ROSE LEAVES OFFICE, THAT WILL ALSO CREATE A VACANCY. I AM RECOMMENDING TODAY THAT DAVID BRUEGEL REPLACE FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER DAVID GLASHEEN AND MAYOR PRO TEM DOCTOR JENNIFER WILSON REPLACED COUNCIL MEMBER BRAYDEN ROSE. AND WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. ALSO SERVING ON THIS BOARD IS COUNCIL MEMBER CHRISTY MARTINEZ-GARCIA, GORDON HARRIS AND TIM COLLINS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MISS POWERS. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPOINT THE INDIVIDUALS AS PRESENTED BY THE CITY SECRETARY? SO MOVED. IS THERE A SECOND? HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. HEARING NONE THAT MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'LL NOW TAKE UP ITEM 7.2. AN ORDINANCE ON SECOND READING AMENDING CHAPTER 36 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES BY ADDING DIVISION TWO PAVING ALLEYS BY PETITION TO ARTICLE [2. Ordinance 2nd Reading - Engineering: Consider Ordinance No. 2026-O0052, amending Chapter 36 of the Code of Ordinances by adding “Division 2 Paving Alleys by Petition” to Article 36.08, establishing a process for the paving of unimproved alleys through a petition-initiated assessment process, and providing for placing a lien on property for unpaid assessments.] 36.08, ESTABLISHING A PROCESS FOR PAVING OF UNIMPROVED ALLEYS THROUGH PETITION INITIATED ASSESSMENT PROCESS. I'LL CALL ON ERIK REJINO AGAIN TO PROVIDE A BRIEF BRIEFING ON THIS ITEM. MR. REJINO. THANK YOU. MAYOR. COUNCIL, THIS IS AN ITEM WE BROUGHT TO YOU FOUR WEEKS AGO TODAY. THIS IS AN ALLEY PAVING ASSESSMENT ORDINANCE. I'M BASICALLY GOING TO GO RUN THROUGH TO HIT SOME HIGHLIGHTS OF THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, AN AMENDMENT. AND ALSO GIVE YOU ALL SOME INFORMATION AND QUESTIONS THAT WERE THAT WERE INQUIRED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING. SO I'M GOING TO FOLLOW UP. THEN WE'LL HAVE SOME SOME DISCUSSION. FOR STARTERS, LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT THIS IS AND WHAT THIS IS NOT. I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME CONFUSION OUT THERE. SO I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THIS IS A CITIZEN INITIATED PROCESS FOR PAVING AN ALLEY, NOT A CITY OF LUBBOCK PROCESS. SO THE CURRENT PROCESS WE HAVE NOW, WHICH I'LL GO OVER IN A LITTLE BIT IN THE ORDINANCE, THOSE ARE CITIZEN INITIATED PROCESSES, NOT NOT TO BE INITIATED BY THE CITY. AS FAR AS CURRENT PROCESS. SO WE DO HAVE A CURRENT PROCESS TODAY. THAT PROCESS TODAY, ANY COMBINATION OF CITIZENS, RESIDENTS AND HOA CAN GET TOGETHER AND BASICALLY RAISE FUNDS, HIRE A FIRM, SUBMIT PLANS TO ENGINEERING FOR REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PAVING OF ALLEY WOULD MEET OUR STANDARDS AND THEN GO OUT THERE AND CONSTRUCT THAT ALLEY SO THAT THAT PROCESS EXISTS TODAY. THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE BASICALLY WOULD ESTABLISH, AGAIN, ANOTHER CITY CITIZEN INITIATED RELATED EFFORT TO PAVE AN ALLEY FOR A PARTICULAR BLOCK BASED ON A MAJORITY OF THE PARTICIPATION FROM ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AS WELL AS RESIDENTS IN THE AREA. IT WOULD BASICALLY ESTABLISH A, A ASSESSMENT TO PAY FOR THAT. EVEN THOUGH IT TAKES A MAJORITY TO TRIGGER THE, THE, THAT PROCESS, ALL RESIDENTS WOULD BE ASSESSED AS LONG AS THEY HIT THOSE PARTICULAR THRESHOLDS. FROM THERE ENGINEERING WOULD TAKE IT AND IT WOULD BASICALLY BE ENGINEERED BY OUR CITY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. WE WOULD THEN CONTRACT IT OUT AND BUILD THE ALLEY. PETITION APPLICATION. WE'RE LOOKING AT $500 A COUPLE ITEMS. I REALLY WANT TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT TRIGGERS THAT PETITION. [00:30:04] IT'S BASICALLY TWO THIRDS OF THE ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNERS AND 51% OF THE TOTAL LINEAR FOOTAGE PROPERTY OWNERS. SO A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT I REALLY WANT TO EMPHASIZE THERE FROM THERE, ONCE THOSE THRESHOLDS ARE HIT ON THAT PETITION, THAT WOULD THEN GO TO ENGINEERING. THEY WOULD CONDUCT ENGINEERING FEASIBILITY STUDY. AND THEN IF APPROVED AT THAT POINT, THEN WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH, WITH THE PROCESS AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, THAT PROCESS, THE FIRST STEP WOULD BE FOR CITY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO COME UP WITH A COST ESTIMATE THAT WOULD THEN BE PROVIDED BACK TO THE RESIDENTS. AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THE, THE PETITION, BASICALLY THE PROCESS TO REMOVE THE PETITION. IF AFTER THAT ESTIMATES RECEIVED, MAYBE, PERHAPS IT'S MORE THAN WHAT PEOPLE WERE ANTICIPATING. THERE'S A WAY TO WITHDRAW THAT PETITION. BUT ONCE THAT ASSESSMENT IS ESTABLISHED, ASSUMING IT DOESN'T, THE PETITION STAYS IN PLACE. BASICALLY THERE'S RESIDENTS WOULD HAVE UP TO 12 MONTHS TO, TO PAY FOR THE ASSESSMENT WITH NO INTEREST THERE. ANOTHER REQUIREMENT THAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE NOW IS DRAFTED WOULD BASICALLY BE TO RECEIVE 30% OF THOSE FUNDS UP FRONT IN ORDER TO START THE PROCESS. AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE THE REMAINING PORTION PAID OUT OVER OVER THE 12 MONTHS IF THE ESTIMATES RECEIVED AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S MAYBE NOT INTEREST ANYMORE OR THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT, YOU KNOW, OR, YOU KNOW, NUMBER OF RESIDENTS THAT DON'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT, MAYBE THE COST IS TOO HIGH OR MAYBE THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR MINDS. THERE'S A PETITION PROCESS NOW TO BASICALLY REMOVE THAT PETITION. AND ALL THAT TAKES IS EITHER ONE THIRD OF THE ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNERS OR THE 50% OF THE TOTAL LINEAR FOOTAGE PROPERTY OWNER. SO THAT'S BASICALLY THE PROCESS TO DISSOLVE THAT PETITION THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE AS FAR AS A COUPLE OF ITEMS TO FINISH UP WITH. SO THERE IS AN AMENDMENT. YOU HAVE THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE THAT COUNCIL VOTED ON, AND YOU ALSO HAVE AN AMENDMENT, AS I DESCRIBED AT THE LAST MEETING, WE LEARNED DUE TO STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS, THE CITY CAN ONLY RECOUP UP TO 90% OF THAT COST FOR PAVING THE ALLEY SO THAT MR. WADE AND HIS TEAM HAVE DRAFTED AN AMENDMENT TO THAT EFFECT, WORKING THAT IN THE OTHER ONE, THERE WAS ANOTHER QUESTION ASKED RELATED TO WHAT IS WHAT'S THE AVERAGE COST OF A DIRT ALLEY IN THE CITY OF LUBBOCK? AVERAGE COST, AND THIS WORKS IN EQUIPMENT AND MATERIALS. WE SPEND ABOUT $319 PER YEAR ON THE AVERAGE DIRT ALLEY IN LUBBOCK, AND WE'VE GOT OVER 500 MILES OF DIRT ALLEYS. SO IF YOU ASSUME A, YOU KNOW, $100,000 ALLEY, YOU KNOW, WE THINK IT'LL BE ANYWHERE FROM 70 TO 120. IF YOU ASSUME $100,000 ALLEY, 10% OF THAT GOES TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE WOULD BE BORNE BY THE CITY AT 10,000. YOU'RE ANTICIPATING ABOUT A 31 YEAR PAYBACK. SO WITH THAT, I'LL STOP TALKING AND JUST OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNCIL ON ANY DIRECTION YOU ALL HAVE. MR. HARRIS YES, THANK YOU FOR ALL THE FACTS AND DATA AND THE NUMBERS AND EVERYTHING PERTAINING TO IT, BUT TO SOME PEOPLE THAT I DEAL WITH, YOU KIND OF GOT TO PUT IT IN LAYMAN'S TERMS THAT THE CITY HAS NEVER PAVED ANYONE'S ALLEY AND LET THE PEOPLE KNOW THAT CAME WITH PART OF PURCHASING THOSE HOMES, WHICHEVER RESIDENCE THAT THEY'RE IN. SO THAT'S WHAT I JUST WANTED TO SAY BECAUSE FOR SOME REASON, SOME PEOPLE THINK, WELL, THE CITY IS DOING THINGS FOR ONE SIDE AND NOT THE OTHER. SO JUST TO LET THE PEOPLE KNOW, LIKE I SAY IN LAYMAN'S TERM, THE CITY HAS NEVER DONE THAT. IT GOES WITH THE PURCHASE OF YOUR HOME. THAT'S WHERE THOSE PAVED ALLEYS CAME FROM. YES, SIR. THE PAVED VALLEYS ARE DONE BY THE DEVELOPER, BUILT INTO THE COST OF THE HOME. AND ULTIMATELY, AGAIN, THE CITY DOES NOT PAVE ALLEYS. NOW, IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORKING. BASICALLY, THEY CAN GET IT DONE IF THEY WANT TO PAY FOR IT. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. MR. REJINO, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS ORDINANCE SO FAR. THE CONCERN I'M GETTING FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT RIGHT NOW, INSIDE THE CENTER OF LUBBOCK, IS THAT THIS REALLY WON'T HAVE A BIG EFFECT ON US. THIS IS PRIMARILY FOR THE OUTLYING PARTS OF TOWN, WHERE WE STILL HAVE A FEW STREETS, WHERE WE'VE GOT ALLEY ACCESS GARAGES THAT OPEN UP TO A DIRT ALLEYWAY. AND I DEFINITELY SYMPATHIZE WITH THEIR PLIGHT, BUT I FEEL LIKE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THIS WILL NEED TO BEAR MORE OF THE COST UP FRONT. MY BIGGEST CONCERN RIGHT NOW IS THAT WITH THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, WE COULD END UP AS THE CITY COVERING THAT COST FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, POSSIBLY 20 TO 30 YEARS BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE ASSESSMENT WORKS. SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS A LARGER PORTION, POSSIBLY EVEN UP TO THE ENTIRETY OF THE 90% OF THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PORTION TO BE PAID UP FRONT, RATHER THAN FINANCED OUT OVER A TERM OF YEARS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, MR. COLLINS? THANK YOU MAYOR. A COUPLE OF THINGS. AND FOR MR. WADE. THESE THESE RULES THAT ARE A PART OF OUR OUR ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, [00:35:04] THESE ARE ESTABLISHED BY STATE STATUTE. SOME OF THEM, YES. I MEAN, THE THE ABILITY TO SIT THERE AND DO IT BY PETITION, THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE 100% PARTICIPATION. THAT IS ALLOWED BY STATE STATUTE. THE ABILITY TO PUT A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY FOR ALL THE PROPERTY THAT IS BENEFITED BY THE ALLEY BEING PAVED. THAT'S ALSO DONE BY STATE STATUTE. THE PROCESS AS FAR AS HAVING A NOTICE AND A HEARING AND THEIR ABILITY TO SIT THERE AND CONTEST IT IN COURT, THAT'S ALSO ESTABLISHED BY STATE STATUTE. SO IS IT POSSIBLE WHAT MR. BRUEGEL HAS JUST PROPOSED WOULD WOULD BE TO ACTUALLY AMEND THESE THINGS? IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, OF MY OPINION THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD AMEND THE NUMBER OF THE PERCENTAGE OF PARTICIPATION. IS THAT POSSIBLE TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES OR NO. SO I DO THINK THAT THAT IT IS POSSIBLE, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SIT THERE AND MAKE THOSE CHANGES IN THE ORDINANCE. I THINK THAT THE THE STATE STATUTES REALLY SET UP. IT'S IN THE PART OF THE STATE STATUTE THAT ALLOWS FOR MUNICIPALITIES TO PAY FOR HIGHWAYS THEMSELVES. AND THEN THERE'S A SEPARATE SUB SUBCHAPTER THAT ALLOWS FOR ASSESSING PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS. IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT BY, BY, BY THAT WAY, THEN THAT'S WHERE ALL THE NOTICE FOR THE HEARING, THAT'S WHERE THE LIEN IS ESTABLISHED, ETC.. THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR THE CITY COUNCIL WITHIN THE ORDINANCE ITSELF ON SOME OF THE DETAILS WITHIN THE ORDINANCE, AS FAR AS HOW MUCH YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO ASSESS UP FRONT, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. NOW, I THINK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS A VARIABLE THAT YOU COULD SIT THERE AND ADJUST. IF YOU WANTED TO DO SOMETHING TO WHERE YOU WANTED TO HAVE 100%, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE THAT IN YOUR CODE OF ORDINANCES ITSELF, RIGHT? AND PART OF THE JUSTIFICATION FOR DOING THIS IS THEY DON'T HAVE THEY BEING THE PROPERTY OWNERS DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE EXPERTISE AND THE WHEREWITHAL THEMSELVES TO DO THE WORK. YOU COULD ALSO PROBABLY DO SOMETHING TO WHERE THERE'S NOT A LIEN THAT'S ASSESSED THAT THERE IS 100% PAY UP FRONT, AND THEN PERHAPS THE PERMIT FEE. HAVE THE CITY SIT THERE AND DO THE WORK AS WELL AND NOT BE IN THE STATE STATUTE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO I THINK THERE'S ALSO THAT OPTION. BUT THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS WITHIN THE ORDINANCE ITSELF. OKAY. NEXT QUESTION, MR. REJINO, YOU YOU MENTIONED HERE THAT THE CITY CAN ONLY RECOUP 90% OF THE COST. AND WHEN WE WHEN WE THINK ABOUT 90% OF THE COST, ARE WE THINKING ABOUT COST TO THE CITY OR DO WE ALSO GET TO RECOUP 90% OF OUR STAFF TIME? WE WOULD INCLUDE STAFF TIME IN THAT. YES, SIR. CONTRACTOR COSTS. ENGINEERING STAFF TIME. THAT WOULD BE THE PART OF THAT PART OF THAT UP TO THAT 90%. AND THEN AND THEN FINALLY BACK TO MR. WADE. WHEN WE SAW THIS TWO WEEKS AGO, THERE WAS SOME DIFFERENT LANGUAGE THAT WAS TO BE A PART OF THE AMENDMENT, OR POSSIBLY SOME SOME DIFFERENT LANGUAGE THAT MADE THE ORDINANCE COMPLY WITH THE STATE STATUTE. HAS THAT LANGUAGE BEEN INCORPORATED IN WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY? RIGHT. SO IN YOUR BACKUP, YOU HAVE BOTH THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE AND YOU HAVE THE ORDINANCE REDLINED AND THE RED LINES ESSENTIALLY JUST MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATE STATUTE. SO WHEN WITH THE WITH THE MOTION TO APPROVE, WE WOULD BE APPROVING THE RED LINE VERSION. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN MARTINEZ-GARCIA. THANK YOU MAYOR. I BELIEVE WHAT DAVID WAS ASKING, NOT SO MUCH THE PERCENTAGE, BUT WHAT HE WANTS IS TO HAVE THE AMOUNT REDIRECTED OR THE AMOUNT UP FRONT. DAVID, CAN YOU. I KNOW IT WAS IN MOTION, BUT CAN YOU GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN, PLEASE? WHAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION WAS? YEAH. SO MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE THAT THE CITIZENS THAT WANT TO GET THEIR ALLEY PAVED, HOWEVER THEY ARRANGE THE FUNDING, THEY WOULD BRING ALL THOSE FUNDS TO US UP FRONT, OR AT LEAST THE 90%. I DON'T KNOW HOW THE COST RECOUP WOULD WORK UNDER THAT SCENARIO. DOES THAT MAKE MORE SENSE? YES. LET ME SEE IF I CAN HELP A LITTLE BIT. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REALLY A HYBRID OF WHAT WE HAVE TODAY VERSUS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. AND BASICALLY KEEPING THAT, YOU KNOW, CITIZENS, WHETHER IT'S 90% OR 100%, THEY WOULD EITHER THROUGH AN INDIVIDUAL RESIDENT OR A COMBINATION OF NEIGHBORS OR AN HOA WOULD RAISE THE DOLLARS TO PAVE THE ALLEY. THEY WOULD THEN BRING THAT TO THE CITY VERSUS CURRENTLY, BASICALLY, THEY COLLECT THOSE FUNDS AND THEY THEY GO DESIGN IT, THEY GO DO ALL THE WORK AND THEY WE SIMPLY REVIEW THE PLANS. I BELIEVE WHAT COUNCILMAN IS PROPOSING IS THAT YOU EITHER SAY IT'S 90%. [00:40:01] THEY COLLECT THOSE DOLLARS, THEY BRING THOSE FUNDS TO THE CITY, AND THEN THE CITY FROM THERE TAKES IT. WE DESIGN IT. WE GO CONTRACT IT OUT AND BUILD IT. AM I CORRECT IN THAT? COUNCILMAN? THAT'S RIGHT. THE CONCERN IS THAT IF WE DON'T DO IT THAT WAY, THE THE PROPOSAL AS IT STANDS, COULD HAVE THE UNFORESEEN CONSEQUENCE OF THE CITY INVESTING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS A YEAR, UP TO A SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND A YEAR IN RECEIVABLES THAT BASICALLY WE DON'T SEE BACK FOR AN INCONCEIVABLE AMOUNT OF TIME. SO THAT'S THE GOAL OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. AND IN THAT PROPOSAL, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU WOULD NECESSARILY NEED AN ASSESSMENT. MR. WADE CAN CORRECT ME IN THAT CASE. THEY'RE THEY'RE COLLECTING THE DOLLARS IN THE 10%. I MEAN, IT WOULD BE UP TO THE COUNCIL TO BUDGET FUNDS TO MATCH THAT 10%. UNDERSTANDING IT'S A 31 YEAR PAYBACK AT THE AT THE 10%. YEAH, YEAH. I JUST WANT TO RIGHT NOW AND COUNCIL MEMBER, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND RIGHT NOW THE WAY IT WORKS BEFORE THE CITY DOES ANY WORK WHATSOEVER. THEY JUST HAVE TO COLLECT 30% UP FRONT. AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU WOULD BE SAYING IS THERE'S GOING TO BE 90%. SO IF 90%, THAT IS BASICALLY EVERYTHING UNDER THERE, THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR AN ASSESSMENT. THERE'D BE NO WORK THAT WAS ACTUALLY BEING DONE. SO THAT WOULD BE PULLED OFF OF WOULD BE A SUPERFLUOUS LANGUAGE WITHIN THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE ITSELF. THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR THAT. SO THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. BASICALLY JUST TRYING NOT TO FINANCE ALLEYS OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS. WE WANT, WE WANT THOSE THAT WANT THEIR ALLEYS PAVED, HAPPY TO DO IT, HAPPY TO FACILITATE THAT FOR THEM. I DON'T THINK THEY NEED TO HIRE THEIR OWN CONTRACTOR THAT WE CAN DO THAT HERE. WE HAVE WELL QUALIFIED ENGINEERING TEAM CONSTRUCTION TEAMS THAT CAN MANAGE IT. WE JUST WANT THEM TO COME UP WITH THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE COST UP FRONT. TO THAT POINT. I DO HAVE ONE LITTLE THING. WOULD IT END UP COSTING US MORE IF WE ENDED UP DOING THE WORK, DESIGN IT AND EVERYTHING? I JUST DON'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY FROM STAFF TIME FOR OTHER PROJECTS. I DO BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO PROBABLY ACCEPT MORE DOLLARS FROM THOSE REQUESTING TO PUT THIS IN PLACE. I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO BE ON THE BACKS OF OUR EMPLOYEES. I UNDERSTAND. I MEAN, IF, YOU KNOW, I'M TALKING TO OUR ENGINEERING TEAM, I MEAN, WE WOULD DESIGN IN HOUSE THE CONTRACTING PORTION OF IT THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO CONTRACT THAT OUT. DO WE PAY A PREMIUM? I MEAN, WE HAVE LESS ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THROUGH STATE STATUTE. WE PUT THINGS OUT TO BID AND WE'RE PRETTY LIMITED IN HOW MUCH WE CAN GO BACK AND FORTH VERSUS A, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUAL RESIDENT MAY HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY IN BEING ABLE TO NEGOTIATE A BID RECEIVED. I DON'T KNOW. THAT DOESN'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SPECIFICALLY, BUT THEY HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY THAN WE WOULD. BUT IF WE'RE TALKING ONE OR 2 OR 3 ALLEYS A YEAR, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN HANDLE. IF WE'RE TALKING SUBSTANTIALLY MORE THAN THAT, THEN WE COULD ALWAYS AUGMENT CITY STAFF BY HIRING AN OUTSIDE FIRM TO HELP WITH THAT. BUT AT A FEW A YEAR, I THINK WE CAN HANDLE THAT IN-HOUSE. MAYOR PRO TEM, THANK YOU. ERIK, A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. SO REMIND ME, JUST AN AVERAGE CITY BLOCK. IF YOU HAD TO PAY NOW, WHAT WOULD THE COST OF THAT BE? YES. WE LOOKED AT A COUPLE. WE LOOKED AT A HIGH DENSITY BLOCK, 19 LOTS THAT CAME OUT TO ABOUT JUST SHY OF 71,000. SO 3700 A LOT FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA, A LOW DENSITY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE LOOKED AT 12 LOTS, A LITTLE OVER 100,000, JUST SHY OF 101,000, ACTUALLY 8400 A LOT. SO, YOU KNOW, ANYWHERE FROM 4 TO 9000, DEPENDING ON LOW DENSITY VERSUS HIGH DENSITY AND THE WIDTH OF LOTS. SO ON AVERAGE, 70 TO $100,000 TO PAY FOR ONE. OKAY. SO A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS. HOW FREQUENTLY IS THIS REQUESTED? AND WITH THE PRIOR PROCESS, HOW MANY HAVE GOTTEN PAVED. WE'VE NOT DONE ONE IN THE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN HERE AND I'VE BEEN HERE NEARLY FIVE YEARS. SO. OKAY. SO IS IT A IS IT A FREQUENT REQUEST? PEOPLE INQUIRE ABOUT PAVED ALLEYS, BUT WHEN THEY. WE INDICATE TO THEM THAT THE CITY DOES NOT PAY FOR THAT. THEN IT'S A REQUEST FOR THE CITY TO PAVE THEIR ALLEY AT OUR COST. AND ONCE THEY REALIZE IT'S NOT A SOMETHING THE CITY DOES, THEN THERE HASN'T BEEN INTEREST FOR A SUBDIVISION TO TO PAY FOR THAT OTHER THAN THERE'S ONE IN PARTICULAR THAT'S REACHED OUT THAT TRIGGERED SOME OF THIS. OKAY. I THINK I, I AGREE AS WELL WITH COUNCILMAN BRUEGEL THAT 30% MAY BE LOW. I UNDERSTAND THE REASON NOT TO DO 90 BECAUSE THE WHOLE POINT IS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF LIEN AND ASSESSMENT PROCESS IN CASE SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE AND HOW TO MAKE THAT WORK. I THINK 30%, YOU KNOW, THE 30% IS, IS FAIRLY LOW BECAUSE I WANT TO CARRY LIMITED AMOUNTS OF MONEY WHILE THEY'RE PAYING IT BACK. BECAUSE MY OTHER QUESTION IS, IS WHERE'S THE MONEY GOING TO COME FROM FOR THE CITY TO COVER THE 10%? I MEAN, HAS THAT BEEN PLANNED OUT? LIKE, WHERE IS THERE A FUND? IS IT GOING TO COME OUT OF ROADS? IS THAT GOING TO REDUCE MAINTENANCE FROM OTHER PUBLIC WORKS THINGS? I MEAN, WHERE IS IT GOING TO COME FROM? WE WOULD NEED TO COME TO YOU. IF YOU ADOPTED THE ORDINANCE. WE WOULD NEED TO COME TO YOU WITH A BUDGET AMENDMENT. AND WE WOULD YOU KNOW, MR. TURPIN AND I VISITED PLAN FOR TWO ALLEYS A YEAR. AND IT WOULD BE GENERAL FUND RESERVES AT THIS TIME. SO YOU SAID A SPECIFIC REQUEST HAS KIND OF TRIGGERED THIS ENTIRE CONVERSATION. SO RIGHT NOW, IF AND JUST AS THIS, OF COURSE IS HYPOTHETICAL, IF IF A COUPLE OF BLOCKS WANTED TO PAVE THEIR ALLEY, [00:45:08] THE TWO BLOCKS AND THEY HAD PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE PERSON, TWO PERSONS THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, WE DON'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE. HOW DO THEY MOVE IT FORWARD? NOW? WOULD THE OTHER ESSENTIALLY THE OTHER HOMEOWNERS HAVE TO COVER THE COST OF THAT TO MOVE IT FORWARD? IS THAT HOW IT WORKS NOW? THEY JUST EAT THE COST FOR THE TWO HOMEOWNERS THAT CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY FOR IT OR DON'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE. EITHER NOT MOVE FORWARD, OR THEY'D HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE DOLLARS TO DO THAT FROM ELSEWHERE. SO THERE'S NO OBLIGATION FOR THOSE, THE ONES THAT DON'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE, TO PARTICIPATE TODAY. SO ESSENTIALLY, THE BIG DIFFERENCE IS, IS THE CITY WOULD START DOING ENGINEERING, ALL OF THE THE WORK BEHIND IT, AND IT WOULD EVENLY DISTRIBUTE THE COST OF THAT ALLEY WHETHER THEY WANT TO OR NOT BASED ON FRONTAGE. THAT'S CORRECT. YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I GUESS TO ME, THIS KIND OF SEEMS LIKE IT'S TRYING TO SOLVE A PROBLEM THAT DOESN'T EXIST, BUT IT DOES CREATE A FEW ISSUES, I THINK, IN THE PUBLIC'S MIND. I THINK THE LIEN ON THE PROPERTY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO DO IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN ISSUE, AND IT'D BE SOMETHING I'D BE RELUCTANT TO DO UNDER, AT LEAST UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE IT'S NOT A PUBLIC SAFETY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THERE'S NO LIEN ON THE PROPERTY BECAUSE OF A HEALTH OR A PUBLIC SAFETY PROBLEM. IT'S JUST THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY THE EXPENSE TO PAVE AN ALLEY. AND EVEN THOUGH THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY IT UP FRONT, IT'D ONLY BE COLLECTED WHEN THEY SOLD THEIR PROPERTY, THEIR PROPERTY TRANSFERRED. STILL, IT'S IT'S A LIEN ON THEIR PROPERTY. I'M JUST NOT SURE THAT WE'RE GAINING ANYTHING BY THIS PROPOSAL. AND GETTING A LOT OF CONFUSION AND PUSHBACK ON IT. SO, YEAH, I JUST DON'T SEE WHAT ADVANTAGE THERE IS TO US OF DOING THIS AT THIS POINT. THAT'S JUST KIND OF MY POSITION. MR. COLLINS, DID YOU STILL HAVE A QUESTION? DID YOU? YOURS WAS ON FOR A MINUTE. OKAY. DOCTOR. WILSON. SORRY. ONE MORE QUESTION. SO IS THERE A WAY? AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M VERY CLEAR ON THIS BEFORE I HAVE TO VOTE ON IT. SO CURRENTLY, RIGHT NOW, IF ANYBODY WANTED TO DO THIS, THEY ARE PAYING FOR AN OUTSIDE FIRM TO DO THE ENGINEERING. IS THE CITY HAVE ANY ROLE IN THAT, OR IS THAT A CONVERSATION BETWEEN AN OUTSIDE ENGINEERING FIRM AND OUR PEOPLE TO MAKE SURE IT'S UP TO CODE, OR WE'RE JUST HOPING THAT THEY'RE DOING IT CORRECTLY? THEY PROVIDE STAMPED ENGINEERING DRAWINGS AND OUR TEAM REVIEWS TO ENSURE THAT IT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATION STANDARDS. SO OKAY, SO RIGHT NOW, STAFF ALREADY REVIEWS ALL THE ENGINEERING. HAS THERE EVER BEEN A SITUATION? I MEAN, I KNOW YOU SAID IT'S NOT HAPPENING IN THE FIVE YEARS YOU'VE BEEN HERE WHERE THAT WOULD BE SUBSTANDARD AND WHY WE WOULD WANT TO BRING IT IN HOUSE. I MEAN, IS THERE A BENEFIT TO US DOING ALL THE ENGINEERING OTHER THAN YOU'D BE ABLE TO STAFF TIME AND REDUCE COSTS AND HAVING MORE CONTROL OVER IT? WOULD IS THERE A BENEFIT FROM AN OUTSIDE ENGINEERING FIRM FOR THE STAFF TO DO IT? I MEAN, THERE'S NOT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE VERIFYING THAT IT MEETS OUR STANDARDS. AND IF WE DID IT IN HOUSE, WE WOULD DO THE SAME THING. AND IT'S A RELATIVELY. YOU KNOW, ALL THINGS CONSIDERED AND EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. IT'S A RELATIVELY SIMPLE DESIGN. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YEAH. MR. COLLINS. YES. AND THIS MAY BE MORE SUITED FOR AFTER A MOTION. BUT THAT QUESTION THAT DOCTOR WILSON JUST ASKED ABOUT STAFF INVOLVEMENT IF WE HAVE THIS PROCESS APPROVED AND WE HAVE STAFF INVOLVED IN THIS, THIS WOULD INCLUDE INSPECTIONS AND AND ADDITIONAL OVERSIGHT THAT THE CITY ENGINEERING TEAM OR ROADS TEAM WOULD PROVIDE. CORRECT. YES, SIR. AND SO MY POINT TO THAT IS, IS THAT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WE WENT THROUGH, YOU KNOW, A FAIRLY MAJOR ORDEAL WHEN WE LET THE PRIVATE SECTOR WORK IN ALLEYWAYS AND IT WAS DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S MUCH THE SAME. AND IT CAUSES ME THE VERY SAME CONCERN OF IF THIS COMES UP, IF SOMEONE WANTED TO DO THIS, WE'RE NOT PROVIDING THE OVERSIGHT TO THE COST. WE'RE NOT PROVIDING THE OVERSIGHT TO THE QUALITY OF CONSTRUCTION. WE'RE NOT PROVIDING THE OVERSIGHT TO THE EXTENT OF THE CONSTRUCTION AND ETC. AND THIS OVERSIGHT HAS PROVEN TO BE VERY VALUABLE IN OUR ALLEYWAYS BECAUSE THESE DO BELONG TO THE CITIES, WE ARE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ACTIVITIES IN THOSE ALLEYWAYS, WHETHER WE SHOULD BE OR NOT. WE ARE HELD TO THAT. AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AS WE AS WE LOOK AT THOSE PROPERTIES THAT WE CAN CONTROL, ESSENTIALLY THAT WE EXERCISE THAT CONTROL. SO I THINK THERE IS VALUE IN THE 10%, I RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S A LONG PAYBACK, BUT THERE'S ADDITIONAL VALUE FOR THE CITY TO, TO BE ENGAGED IN THAT PROCESS ON A MORE ACTIVE BASIS THAN JUST STAMPING A SET OF DOCUMENTS. SO. SURE. AND ONE THING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, WHETHER IT WAS THE CITY HIRING THE CONTRACTOR, WHETHER IT'S A GROUP OF CITIZENS, HIRING THE CONTRACTOR, IF THEY'RE WORKING IN ON ONE OF OUR CITY ALLEYS, WE WOULD STILL DO THE INSPECTION AND VERIFY MAYBE NOT THE THE DAY TO DAY CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT, BUT THERE WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT THERE WOULD BE SOME OVERSIGHT THERE TO ENSURE THAT IT MEETS COMPACTION TESTS, AND IT'S IN GOOD CONDITION WHEN WE ACCEPT IT, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WE WOULD ACCEPT THAT ALLEY OR NOT. [00:50:01] MR.. SO, MR. [INAUDIBLE], WHAT WAS THE CONCERN RAISED BY THIS GROUP OF CITIZENS WITH THE EXISTING PROCESS TO DO THIS? WHAT'S THE OBSTACLE TO GETTING THEIR ALLEY PAVED? WHAT WAS INDICATED IS THAT, AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL NEIGHBORS WANTED TO DO IT. THEY FELT THEY COULD COME UP WITH THE FUNDING TO DO IT. BUT NO ONE PERSON REALLY WANTED TO TAKE THE LEAD IN COLLECTING ALL THE DOLLARS, HIRING THE ENGINEER OVERSEEING THAT IN THE CONSTRUCTION. IT WAS REALLY MORE THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE PROJECT ITSELF WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR ON MY POSITION I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH US COORDINATING THAT AND HANDLING ALL THAT WORK. IF THE CITIZENS TRULY WANT TO POOL ALL THEIR FUNDS TO IMPROVE A PUBLIC ASSET LIKE THAT, I'M ALL FOR IT. LET'S SUPPORT THEM IN IT. I JUST DON'T WANT TO FINANCE IT. DOCTOR WILSON. I THINK I WAS GOING TO SAY SOMETHING SIMILAR TO TO WHAT DAVID WAS SAYING. IS THERE A WAY TO DO SOME TYPE OF AMENDED TO THE EVEN THIS WHERE THERE'S NO FINANCING, WE'RE NOT COVERING THE 10%, BUT THAT WE'RE HAPPY TO PULL THE ENGINEERING COMPONENT OF IT AND USE STAFF TIME AND BE ABLE TO WORK IF THEY'RE GOING TO PAY THE CITY DIRECTLY TO DO THAT. I MEAN, AND THEN, I MEAN, SOME TYPE OF HYBRID WHERE WE'RE HAPPY TO KIND OF COORDINATE ALL OF THAT TO MAKE SURE IT'S DONE CORRECTLY VERSUS OUT GOING OUT. AND, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER MANY DIFFERENT ENGINEERS DOING IT OR CONTRACTING FIRMS DOING IT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO SHOULDER THE THE DEBT TO GO WITH IT TRYING TO HUNT FOR 10% OF I MEAN, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY WOULD THESE WOULD THIS PRODUCE, I DON'T KNOW, ONE OR A WHOLE BUNCH, BUT TRYING TO FIND MONEY THAT DOESN'T EXIST ALREADY AND SAYING WE CAN PROVIDE THAT I HAVE CONCERNS WITH. AND THEN THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT IF ANYTIME WE HAVE TO DO ANYTHING, IT'S GOING TO PUT A LIEN ON SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY AND FORCE THAT AGAINST THEIR WILL. I ALSO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT ENGINEERING AND BRINGING SOME STUFF IN TO BE ABLE TO HELP. I DON'T KNOW. COULD LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I DO THINK THAT'S AN OPTION. I MEAN, WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS AN ALLEY PAVING ORDINANCE. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, AND I BELIEVE WHAT COUNCILMAN WAS REFERRING TO, IS REALLY MORE OF A SIMPLE AMENDMENT TO EXISTING CODE THAT WE HAVE TO WHERE YOU KEEP THE SAME PROCESS WE HAVE IN PLACE. RESIDENTS COLLECT, YOU KNOW, SAY 100%, AND THEN THEY BRING THAT TO THE CITY. AND THEN WE THEN RUN WITH THE PROJECT, WE BUILD IT TO THE APPROPRIATE STANDARD AND WHATNOT AND THROUGH A CONTRACTOR, BUT WE WOULD MANAGE IT. AND I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO AMEND THE CODE TO TO ALLOW FOR THAT. IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT ORDINANCE. AND AGAIN, WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS REALLY MORE DESIGNED FOR THE FOR THE ASSESSMENT PIECE OF IT. SO WOULD THAT NEED TO BE AN ORDINANCE IN THE FORM OF AN ORDINANCE, OR COULD IT BE JUST PART OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS OR WHATEVER? I THINK THAT WE WOULD AMEND THIS WAS SETTING UP ANOTHER DIVISION, RIGHT. THAT WAS GOING TO BE A CITIZEN PETITION DRIVEN WITH THE ASSESSMENT AND THE LIEN. I THINK THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WOULD BE AMENDING OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE. AND SO IT WOULD NEED TO BE AN ORDINANCE THAT WE COULD DO THAT. I DON'T THINK THAT WE ARE EITHER POSTED OR PREPARED TO SIT THERE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO TO DO THAT TODAY. BUT THAT IS AN OPTION. THAT IS AN OPTION. OKAY. AN OPTION I'D PREFER. I THINK SO. AGAIN COUNCILWOMAN MARTINEZ-GARCIA. AND I JUST WANT TO ONE MORE TIME BECAUSE IT, IT FEELS LIKE SO LATERAL LINE ALL OVER AGAIN. WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE OUR CITY STAFF DOING ALL THIS EXTRA WORK, SOMEONE MAKING MONEY OFF OF IT. THAT'S MY CONCERN. I, WE HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS IN PLACE. I DON'T WANT TO TAKE OUR STAFF AWAY FROM THOSE PROJECTS TO GO AND DO SOMETHING ELSE. IT'S IT'S A LOT. SO I THINK THAT WE REALLY NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL ON THIS. AND YOU KNOW, IT'S A FINE LINE. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I PUSH THAT. AND I DO AGREE THAT WE NEED TO PROBABLY AMEND THE AMOUNT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT WE DON'T HAVE THOSE DOLLARS RIGHT NOW. SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY CAN DO THEIR PART. AND WE'RE ALREADY DOING IT. SO I DON'T WANT US TO TAKE ON MORE WORK OR HAVE TO TAKE ON MORE COSTS. SO THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME. MR. ROSE? SO IS, IS THERE A WAY BECAUSE I THINK THE BIGGEST PROBLEM HERE IS THE FINANCES OF IT, NOT NECESSARILY GETTING THE ENGINEERS TOGETHER TO GET IT PAVED, BUT IF BECAUSE A NEIGHBOR, THE WAY IT IS NOW, AS I UNDERSTAND, IS THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO OUT, REACH OUT TO THE ENGINEERING FIRM, AND IF ANOTHER NEIGHBOR GETS COLD FEET, THEN YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ON THE HOOK FOR PAYING FOR THIS ENTIRE THING. YOU CAN'T CONTRACT OUT WITH SEVERAL DIFFERENT PEOPLE. THEY WOULD HAVE TO START AN LLC. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO I WOULD I DON'T LIKE THE WAY IT'S SET UP NOW OR EVEN WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US, BUT I WOULD, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN FIGURE SOMETHING OUT WHERE WE CAN FACILITATE THE, THE FINANCIAL PART OF IT? BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE ARE GETTING HUNG IS NO ONE'S WILLING TO JUMP OUT THERE AND TALK TO, [00:55:03] YOU KNOW, A CONTRACTOR AND SAY, YEAH, I WILL FRONT, I'LL COLLECT ALL THIS MONEY OR FRONT YOU 300 GRAND AND I MIGHT BE STUCK WITH THE BILL OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I, I DO THINK AND AS A HOME RULE MUNICIPALITY, I DO THINK THERE'S WAYS TO DO THAT. I THINK THAT IF WE WANTED TO DO ASSESSMENTS AGAINST PROPERTY OWNERS THAT MAY NOT NECESSARILY WANTED TO PARTICIPATE, AND THE AUTHORITY TO PUT A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY WOULD REQUIRE US TO, TO DO THE OTHER STUFF THAT'S UNDER THE STATE STATUTE. SO BUT IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT, IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE ASSESSMENT, IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE LIEN, AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT UP SOME TYPE OF PROCESS THAT WHERE WE CAN, LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE, WHERE WE'RE WILLING TO SIT THERE AND USE, YOU KNOW, OUR ENGINEERING AND PERHAPS OUR CONTACTS AND DO, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, OVERSIGHT, ADMINISTRATIVE OVERSIGHT OF THE PROJECT WITH IT. WITHOUT THOSE OPTIONS, I THINK THERE'S LOTS OF FLEXIBILITY AS FAR AS WHAT THE CITY CAN DO. OKAY. THANK YOU. MR. COLLINS. SO HEARING THAT, I GUESS, MR. WADE, MR. REJINO BOTH. WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE THAT ONCE AGAIN, WE POSTPONE THIS AND ASK FOR A MAYBE A DIFFERENT DIRECTION FROM THE CITY TO CONSIDER WHAT IT WOULD COST IF WE WERE TO PROVIDE THOSE ENGINEERING SERVICES AND OVERSIGHT, AND HOW WE COULD MAKE THOSE COLLECTIONS TO ENSURE PROPER PAYMENT. AND MAYBE LOOK AT THIS AGAIN IN TWO WEEKS AND HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE. THIS THIS WOULD STILL BE PENDING. WE COULD ADOPT THE ORDINANCE AS WE HAVE IT IN FRONT OF US, OR LOOK AT AN ALTERNATIVE THAT MIGHT GIVE US A DIFFERENT PATHWAY IS THAT YOU CAN DO IT THAT WAY. ONE, ONE, THE PATH THAT I'M HEARING SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS MENTION IS SORT OF A, A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PATHWAY, RIGHT? WE CAN DO IT THAT WAY. OR IF YOU DON'T WANT TO LEAVE SOMETHING PENDING, YOU COULD SIMPLY VOTE THIS ONE DOWN AND DIRECT STAFF TO SIT THERE AND BRING ANOTHER OPTION BACK TO YOU. AND WE CAN DO IT THAT WAY. YOU CAN DO IT THE WAY YOU'RE SUGGESTING, COUNCILMAN COLLINS, IF THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DO. I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE IT HARD. WELL, BUT I'M GOOD AT THAT. THE THE, THE EASIEST THING FOR ME AND STAFF WOULD BE A CLEAR DIRECTION ON THIS ONE. AND IF THIS IS NOT THE WAY THE COUNCIL WANTS TO GO. THEN VOTE IT DOWN AND WE CAN BRING SOMETHING THAT THAT IS DIFFERENT BACK TO YOU ON THE SAME THING. MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE 7.02 AS IT'S PRESENTED. ALL RIGHT. ACCEPT THAT AS A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? LET'S DO THIS FOR A VOTE HERE. SO IF YOU VOTE YES, YOU'RE VOTING TO APPROVE THIS ORDINANCE ON SECOND READING. IF YOU VOTE NO, YOU'RE VOTING AGAINST THIS ORDINANCE. WE CAN COME BACK LATER AND TALK ABOUT A DIFFERENT ROUTE. CORRECT. YES. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT ORDINANCE OR THAT FAILS ON SECOND READING OF VOTE, 6 TO 1. ALL RIGHT. OR 1 TO 6, I GUESS I SHOULD SAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. HAVING EXHAUSTED ALL OTHER ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.